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Old 9 Aug 2017, 22:07 (Ref:3758484)   #8176
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Their wec budget probably lies between teams like Force India and Williams. The new engines must be easy to get right if they don't increase the budget from that. I think if they do go to F1, they'll probably look to acquire/brand a team already there (like Toro Rosso) or just try their luck with engine supply.
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Old 9 Aug 2017, 22:27 (Ref:3758488)   #8177
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Their wec budget probably lies between teams like Force India and Williams. The new engines must be easy to get right if they don't increase the budget from that. I think if they do go to F1, they'll probably look to acquire/brand a team already there (like Toro Rosso) or just try their luck with engine supply.
After a few years and if they occupy a good position in the championship of constructors the budget is increased by the payment received by the teams of the FOM.
Also it is easier to get sponsors for Formula 1 than for the WEC.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/r...17-903197/amp/
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Old 10 Aug 2017, 11:10 (Ref:3758587)   #8178
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After a few years and if they occupy a good position in the championship of constructors the budget is increased by the payment received by the teams of the FOM.
Also it is easier to get sponsors for Formula 1 than for the WEC.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/r...17-903197/amp/
In terms of sponsorship in F1, why is it that the most of the cars have no sponsorship on their cars? Seems strange.

I believe Porsche will only supply engines - a revenue generator for the company with some Porsche logos on the cars. With the limits on testing in F1 - too big of a risk for Porsche to be a back marker on an international stage while they try to develop their car.
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Old 10 Aug 2017, 11:51 (Ref:3758601)   #8179
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In terms of sponsorship in F1, why is it that the most of the cars have no sponsorship on their cars? Seems strange.

I believe Porsche will only supply engines - a revenue generator for the company with some Porsche logos on the cars. With the limits on testing in F1 - too big of a risk for Porsche to be a back marker on an international stage while they try to develop their car.
Even MB have said the engine deals costs them money so the idea Porsche could jump in now and make money is kind of far fetched. F1's costs are insanely high and doubt a Porsche badge on the engine cover would get any team enough cash to cover the costs for the engine package in a season.
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Old 10 Aug 2017, 15:25 (Ref:3758632)   #8180
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Even MB have said the engine deals costs them money so the idea Porsche could jump in now and make money is kind of far fetched. F1's costs are insanely high and doubt a Porsche badge on the engine cover would get any team enough cash to cover the costs for the engine package in a season.
Porsche would have to score points and earn cash from the constructors' championship /TV pool money as far as I know to make back anything from F1.

Who would rent an untested Porsche engine? Even Honda looks better than a completely untried power plant.
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Porsche would have to score points and earn cash from the constructors' championship /TV pool money as far as I know to make back anything from F1.

Who would rent an untested Porsche engine? Even Honda looks better than a completely untried power plant.
Well it can't be worse than the Honda. Even if it blows up a lot, uses too much fuel and is underpowered, it's still equal with the Honda.
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Well it can't be worse than the Honda. Even if it blows up a lot, uses too much fuel and is underpowered, it's still equal with the Honda.
Don't forget the 1991 Footwork Arrows Porsche engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsch...rt#Formula_One
One of the worst ever...

At the time (I had mates at Arrows) everyone was stunned by how bad it was.

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Old 10 Aug 2017, 19:58 (Ref:3758673)   #8183
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In terms of sponsorship in F1, why is it that the most of the cars have no sponsorship on their cars? Seems strange.
Ferrari - still Philip Morris/Marlboro, Mercedes - Petronas is the title sponsor, Red Bull - TAG Heuer, Williams - Martini.

Renault seems to have gone through the WEC-like "brand colors & identity" way and currently lacks a big sponsor.

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I believe Porsche will only supply engines - a revenue generator for the company with some Porsche logos on the cars. With the limits on testing in F1 - too big of a risk for Porsche to be a back marker on an international stage while they try to develop their car.
With current regulations and yearly price of the engines for customers, this is absolutely impossible. 2021 engines will be cheaper but 2-3 customer teams probably won't ever cover the development costs.
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Old 10 Aug 2017, 20:15 (Ref:3758676)   #8184
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Ferrari - still Philip Morris/Marlboro, Mercedes - Petronas is the title sponsor, Red Bull - TAG Heuer, Williams - Martini.

Renault seems to have gone through the WEC-like "brand colors & identity" way and currently lacks a big sponsor.


With current regulations and yearly price of the engines for customers, this is absolutely impossible. 2021 engines will be cheaper but 2-3 customer teams probably won't ever cover the development costs.
I'd argue Red Bull is the sponsor there with Tag-Heuer on as an associate and engine branding sponsor.

Renault has had that problem a while, the ING Renault was the last external sponsor I remember, Geneii were the owners, then Lotus (sister company branding in JPS colors) and back to Renault.
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Old 10 Aug 2017, 20:31 (Ref:3758678)   #8185
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I'd argue Red Bull is the sponsor there with Tag-Heuer on as an associate and engine branding sponsor.
Question was here about external sponsors. Red Bull is also the owner of the team(s). If it is the sponsor, then in the same way you could say Renault is the main sponsor of Renault F1 Team etc...
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