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Old 24 Oct 2017, 19:03 (Ref:3776195)   #1141
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Mysterious circumstances?
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Old 24 Oct 2017, 19:41 (Ref:3776210)   #1142
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From an engineering point of view, it was pretty mysterious. Well, it was blatantly agenda pushing. Entire concepts were written off after 5 minute test sessions, and received no development beyond the initial concept. Meanwhile the Halo got years of work.

There are qualified engineers on this forum who know much more about development processes than me, but I am studying engineering. The way the Halo was introduced raises huge red flags for me and goes against the entire engineering process I've been taught, literally from the first week of my studies. There has been no attempt to flesh out the different concepts to find the best solutions. It's quite blatantly agenda pushing. Who is doing it and why? That's the mysterious bit.

The worlds most advanced motorsport is deliberately not exploring what the most suitable solution is. That is pretty odd.
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Old 24 Oct 2017, 20:39 (Ref:3776232)   #1143
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Ah, I read more into it than that, maybe incorrectly. I was reading a suggestion that someone was on a back handed or something, rather than we just don't know everything about the process.

Is this the final version forever, or just the one that is ahead at the moment? That's the engineering approach I'd have, explore many solutions and perhaps introduce the one that is ahead first, that not commmit forever. I don't know, honestly just trying to understand as I haven't fully kept up with this, especially over the last few months. Still it's just a guess from me.
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Old 24 Oct 2017, 21:39 (Ref:3776245)   #1144
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No surprise that IndyCar won't be using the Halo.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/132592

Newgarden is right, the line of sight required on an oval is completely different from that of a flat circuit, you spend your time looking up and left on the corners where a lot of the structure of the halo is.

Guess their solution will look like the red bull screen.
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Old 24 Oct 2017, 21:50 (Ref:3776246)   #1145
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Typical F1 BS trying to reinvent the wheel.
It isn't rocket science.
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Old 14 Nov 2017, 15:24 (Ref:3780397)   #1146
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so this thread started back in 2011 and i imagine other variations existed prior (post Massa's injury and Surtees' unfortunate passing).

but here we are in Nov of 2017 and we are about to see the last race without any head/face protection (well not including helmets).

A) shocking that it took so long and B) sad that after so many years the only viable concept they came up with is a partially effective half measure and one that lacks any aesthetic appeal whatsoever (not the priority i know but still).

have been rereading some of the earlier posts and it seems like some of the worst fears have been realized....lack of action and will to mitigate unnecessary risks and the implementation of a flawed system.

i should add, and unless i am mistaken, it is also sad that the adoption of the 'Halo' also seems to have come with an abandonment of pursuing any other alternatives.
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Old 14 Nov 2017, 17:12 (Ref:3780412)   #1147
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so this thread started back in 2011 and i imagine other variations existed prior (post Massa's injury and Surtees' unfortunate passing).

but here we are in Nov of 2017 and we are about to see the last race without any head/face protection (well not including helmets).

A) shocking that it took so long and B) sad that after so many years the only viable concept they came up with is a partially effective half measure and one that lacks any aesthetic appeal whatsoever (not the priority i know but still).

have been rereading some of the earlier posts and it seems like some of the worst fears have been realized....lack of action and will to mitigate unnecessary risks and the implementation of a flawed system.

i should add, and unless i am mistaken, it is also sad that the adoption of the 'Halo' also seems to have come with an abandonment of pursuing any other alternatives.
Apart from Vettel's few laps round Silverstone, that was it for the Shield and iirc, the Halo will be adopted forthwith and no alternative will be pursued, which seems totally wrong.

I've said it before it behooves the FIA and F1 to get this as right as possible and thoroughly test the alternatives. It would be tragically ironic, that with the forced introduction of the Halo, a driver were to suffer an injury, just to highlight how inept the FIA have been in pursuing alternatives. Hopefully, that won't happen.
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Old 14 Nov 2017, 18:02 (Ref:3780426)   #1148
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Red Bull also tested the aero shield in 2016. There were no vision problems reported with the Red Bull designed version.
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I'd almost forgotten about the halo for next season. I still feel the FIA were terribly negligent in not giving the shield more tests, as it was alright for RBR. It all seems fishy to me that Ferrari didn't like it and now it's not going to be used, even though all the other teams were in favour of it
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"Teams have found that adding halo mountings and beefing up the chassis to pass the associated load tests has added extra weight even greater than that new allowance."

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...rivers-in-2018
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Taking too long and now too heavy. If this was something that gave a performance advantage it would be on the car by Thursday and the engineering challenges dealt with before Question Time.
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Not to mention that according to SkyF1 Bottas tried a get out quick test on his halo fitted car yesterday and took more than 10 seconds.

It has been put down to doing it for the first time and not knowing where he could grab or pull on to lift himself out. Surely though in get out quick situations, you wouldn't have time or may not be able to get your hands into the best places but still get out quickly.
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Old 25 Nov 2017, 04:00 (Ref:3782811)   #1153
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"Teams have found that adding halo mountings and beefing up the chassis to pass the associated load tests has added extra weight even greater than that new allowance."

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...rivers-in-2018
I suspect this quote from Hulkenberg, in the article above, may very well be correct...

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My predictions for 2018...

1. Halo will continue to generally fly under the radar until right before the season starts.
2. When fans see it at the first race, many will be surprised of its existence and claim they were unaware of its impending introduction.
3. The outcry regarding its lack of esthetics will generate questions of why something as simple as a windscreen was not used instead.

I would not be shocked if we only see this on the cars for a year or two before it is replaced with something else.

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Well that would make sense even without the inbetween outrage we’ll have to suffer.

The halo is the solution which is best at the moment. Doesn’t mean it will remain the best of all the best going forward. Some of the other have advantages in other areas, but need more work.
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"Teams have found that adding halo mountings and beefing up the chassis to pass the associated load tests has added extra weight even greater than that new allowance."

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...rivers-in-2018
It is really time good sense prevails and the driver weight is legislated so that it is no longer a performance differentiator, it is unnecessary and unfair. Fix the cockpit length while they are at it.
No good reason only jockeys should drive F1 cars, and even horse racing recognizes weight as a factor.
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