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Old 17 Nov 2017, 08:16 (Ref:3780911)   #301
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you can be as fast as you like but if you dont stop tagging ppl off the start line and keep with the high risk moves that will become a diminishing rate of return, you are going to get outscored.

they could have the god like ******* clone of Schumi and Senna in the car, but they wont win a WDC or WCC again until they have an engine on par with the Merc. that wont happen anytime soon.
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Old 17 Nov 2017, 14:13 (Ref:3780993)   #302
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Max needs to learn not to run into people, until he does so he will not beat Ricciardo over a season. I think there are also a few people who he will find a lot tougher to race against when they are not in contention for a title. What goes around comes around, and Max has got away with quite a bit this year, he won't be able to stick the nose of his car into a fifty fifty and expect to get away with it.

"That kid is dangerous, it wasn't worth it." Lewis

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Hamilton never called Max "dangerous" and Max will beat Daniel, it's very obvious he's faster over this season , the only reason Daniel has more points is plain bad luck Max had, there's a good reason it's 13-6 in qualifying at the moment, Max is the first teammate to beat Daniel in qualifying .
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Old 17 Nov 2017, 14:43 (Ref:3781004)   #303
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Hamilton never called Max "dangerous".
Except in this video https://www.sportvideos.tv/lewis-hamilton-that-kid-is-dangerous-so-it-wasnt-worth-the-risk/

Although it is debatable whether he meant dangerous in a potential crash way, or a risk to his result way.
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Old 18 Nov 2017, 01:08 (Ref:3781153)   #304
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Only reason why Max crashed into Daniel because itís the only way he can score more points.

Getting defeated 2 years consecutively results in irrational decision making.
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Old 18 Nov 2017, 01:27 (Ref:3781154)   #305
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Because if Ricciardo does not improve his qualifying then he will play second fiddle to Max.
He already is. Just like Mr Webber, the fight is definitely on to beat his teammate, but there seems to be a political shift in RBR anointing Mr Verstappen as the holy grail, while Mr Ricciardo is Ďon the marketí...

Personally, I think it would be awesome to see Mr Ricciardo in a McLaren Renault...
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Old 18 Nov 2017, 06:03 (Ref:3781175)   #306
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He already is. Just like Mr Webber, the fight is definitely on to beat his teammate, but there seems to be a political shift in RBR anointing Mr Verstappen as the holy grail, while Mr Ricciardo is Ďon the marketí...

Personally, I think it would be awesome to see Mr Ricciardo in a McLaren Renault...
That would be a step back from where he is.Against Alonso which is no easier than against Verstappen.The only steps up are Mercedes and Ferrari.It is up to him to prove himself worthy in the first half of 2018.
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Old 18 Nov 2017, 10:18 (Ref:3781193)   #307
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That would be a step back from where he is.Against Alonso which is no easier than against Verstappen.The only steps up are Mercedes and Ferrari.It is up to him to prove himself worthy in the first half of 2018.
I would have thought 4th in the WDC with an engine not quite up to snuff would show what the skill level is like.

Certainly the driving in traffic shows the skill of the bloke, without destroying the car....

Red Bull is a dead end for Mr Ricciardo as long as he is teamed with the anointed one...
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Old 18 Nov 2017, 12:19 (Ref:3781217)   #308
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Is there any solid evidence that RBR prefer Max over Dan? And if there is, is there a good reason for that?

Last time RBR preferred one driver, that one won 4 world titles whilst the other struggled to be runner up.
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Old 18 Nov 2017, 12:30 (Ref:3781221)   #309
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Is there any solid evidence that RBR prefer Max over Dan? And if there is, is there a good reason for that?

Last time RBR preferred one driver, that one won 4 world titles whilst the other struggled to be runner up.
aside from verstappen signing a long contract and it making everyone paranoid, it seems to stem from a couple of races ago when said dutchman got the upgraded engine over ricciardo because he suffered a failure first?

which seems a bit daft to me because it was a fair way of deciding who got their hands on it first.
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Old 18 Nov 2017, 12:57 (Ref:3781224)   #310
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I thought that Verstappen got offered the long contract to stop someone else getting him.

And yeah, surely you should just give the engine to whoever requires it first? If you held it back when Max needed an engine and gave it to Dan then it'd be far worse.

Seems like a lot of this is fabricated because Max is doing rather well. We've been here before with RBR, only a few years ago.
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Old 18 Nov 2017, 13:07 (Ref:3781226)   #311
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Is there any solid evidence that RBR prefer Max over Dan? And if there is, is there a good reason for that?

Last time RBR preferred one driver, that one won 4 world titles whilst the other struggled to be runner up.
It's not solid evidence, but the tone of comments regarding the two drivers seems to differ.

Horner has said they will build the Red Bull team around Verstappen, and that without the reliability issues he would be third in the title (and therefore is better than Daniel ):

'The obvious thing is to build a team around you. But itís down to us to provide him with a competitive car'

'Heís had four mechanical issues, all engine problems. If you look at the points lost, he should be sitting a pretty close third in the championship'

'whatís exciting is what the future holds for him'

Whereas Horner's comments about Ricciardo were less optimistic about the future:

'Ricciardo has been around long enough to know and he was making hay while the sun shone'

'The next move that he makes at 28 years of age is a very important one for him'

'He knows the intention very clearly, and Iíve discussed it with him, is that we want him within the team.'

It all seems to read that Verstappen is the future, and the team will be focussed on giving him the best chance of a WDC. Whereas Ricciardo is seen as a member of the team, not the main focus for results.
This is backed up by more recent comments coming out of the Red Bull garage:

'Max's talent is obvious, he is capable of challenging for the championship [...] We've done it before [with Seb] and our aim is to do it again [with Max]'

Marko:
'[Red Bull] have to look for alternatives [for Ricciardo as he is] already on the market'

Horner:
'Asked what would happen if Ricciardo decided to leave, Horner said Red Bull were prepared for that.
ďThatís why we kept Carlos Sainz on loan, thatís why we have options around us.'
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It's not solid evidence, but the tone of comments regarding the two drivers seems to differ.

Horner has said they will build the Red Bull team around Verstappen, and that without the reliability issues he would be third in the title (and therefore is better than Daniel ):

'The obvious thing is to build a team around you. But itís down to us to provide him with a competitive car'

'Heís had four mechanical issues, all engine problems. If you look at the points lost, he should be sitting a pretty close third in the championship'

'whatís exciting is what the future holds for him'

Whereas Horner's comments about Ricciardo were less optimistic about the future:

'Ricciardo has been around long enough to know and he was making hay while the sun shone'

'The next move that he makes at 28 years of age is a very important one for him'

'He knows the intention very clearly, and Iíve discussed it with him, is that we want him within the team.'

It all seems to read that Verstappen is the future, and the team will be focussed on giving him the best chance of a WDC. Whereas Ricciardo is seen as a member of the team, not the main focus for results.
This is backed up by more recent comments coming out of the Red Bull garage:

'Max's talent is obvious, he is capable of challenging for the championship [...] We've done it before [with Seb] and our aim is to do it again [with Max]'

Marko:
'[Red Bull] have to look for alternatives [for Ricciardo as he is] already on the market'

Horner:
'Asked what would happen if Ricciardo decided to leave, Horner said Red Bull were prepared for that.
ďThatís why we kept Carlos Sainz on loan, thatís why we have options around us.'
I got from that at the time that the love for Mr Ricciardo had either gone entirely, or on the way to a full house departure....

The engine thing is still crazy. One fella had a shot at the time to be 3rd in the WDC and the Ďhotí engine ended up with the other fella.

Time to go Mr Ricciardo..
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Old 18 Nov 2017, 22:52 (Ref:3781391)   #313
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I got from that at the time that the love for Mr Ricciardo had either gone entirely, or on the way to a full house departure....

The engine thing is still crazy. One fella had a shot at the time to be 3rd in the WDC and the Ďhotí engine ended up with the other fella.

Time to go Mr Ricciardo..
Yeah, two drivers on the books.

One of them you are busting a gut to sign a long contract, doing everything possible to keep them happy and talking about as a future champion.

The other is described as due a move, and that you have an alternative lined up for.

It seems clear where the favour lies.
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Old 19 Nov 2017, 00:10 (Ref:3781408)   #314
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A few pages back in this thread I posted an article from F1.com that stated Helmut Marko had said the teams ambition was to make Verstappen the youngest champion is F1 history.

Prior to Marko's comments, Mateschitz had openly admitted the same HERE.
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It's clear where RBR's focus will be for the next two years. And the fact that RBR have openly admitted that they are chasing the "youngest champion in history" record makes it 100% certain that Ricciardo will be playing second fiddle to Verstappen in '18 and '19. If RBR had said they will do everything possible to win their 5th drivers championship in the next two years, that may have been a better way to disguise their favouritism towards Max. But RBR were upfront in mentioning that Max will be priority while they chase the youngest F1 champion record. Because obviously - they cannot do that with Daniel. What they can do with Daniel however, is make sure he is a tenth (or two) slower than Max. Very easy to achieve this without raising an eyebrow. Just as RBR did with Webber.
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It's no wonder Danny is thinking of leaving, it will probably be best for him, as he is at least as good as Max. Both drivers no doubt are great entertainment for the sport
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