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Old 23 Nov 2017, 17:23 (Ref:3782446)   #196
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I sure hope not. It would just give Ferrari even more leverage for their whining.
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Old 29 Nov 2017, 16:53 (Ref:3784085)   #197
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Aaaand Ferrari just got more leverage for their whining. Super.
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Old 29 Nov 2017, 16:56 (Ref:3784086)   #198
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It's been confirmed Alfa-Romeo will be partnering Sauber next year.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...71e02-36462683
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Old 29 Nov 2017, 22:31 (Ref:3784172)   #199
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Aaaand Ferrari just got more leverage for their whining. Super.
Or possibly less leverage. One of their main sponsors is now backing a team they supply - so will expect more from them maybe?
Ferrari are now in a position where they have lost Santander backing, and supply a team who will be backed by one of their remaining sponsors. The pressure is on them to deliver, because otherwise FIAT Chrysler could take their backing elsewhere and take a punt on a different engine supplier for the next set of regs (or even build their own)?
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Old 29 Nov 2017, 22:35 (Ref:3784174)   #200
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It's all about Fiat, you do know Ferrari and Alfa Romeo are both owned by Fiat, right? (don't mean it in a patronizing manner, btw)
This is all so Marchionne can swing his member around in a more arrogant fashion than before.
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Old 29 Nov 2017, 22:41 (Ref:3784177)   #201
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Or possibly less leverage. One of their main sponsors is now backing a team they supply - so will expect more from them maybe?
Ferrari are now in a position where they have lost Santander backing, and supply a team who will be backed by one of their remaining sponsors. The pressure is on them to deliver, because otherwise FIAT Chrysler could take their backing elsewhere and take a punt on a different engine supplier for the next set of regs (or even build their own)?
When did Ferrari lose their backing from Santander?
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Old 29 Nov 2017, 22:51 (Ref:3784180)   #202
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It's all about Fiat, you do know Ferrari and Alfa Romeo are both owned by Fiat, right? (don't mean it in a patronizing manner, btw)
This is all so Marchionne can swing his member around in a more arrogant fashion than before.
No, we don't know that.

In fact, Fiat Chrysler (FCA) announced in 2014 that they would be spinning off Ferrari, which they commenced in 2015, completing the IPO in early 2016. It is now a completely separate company to FCA, with it's shares listed on the New York Stock Exchange.

The only connection between FCA and Ferrari is that they share the same chairman, Marchionne.
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When did Ferrari lose their backing from Santander?
It was announced in the last few days or so.
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Old 29 Nov 2017, 23:25 (Ref:3784188)   #204
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When did Ferrari lose their backing from Santander?

One source in the link below


http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/133341
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Old 29 Nov 2017, 23:30 (Ref:3784191)   #205
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That recent. They still have their Philip Morris money but losing Santander will be a bit of a blow.
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The only connection between FCA and Ferrari is that they share the same chairman, Marchionne.
Just thinking out loud...could Alfa be one of the next FIAT assets Marchionne plans to spin off?

worked incredibly well for Ferrari and Marchionne likes to swing things so why not use F1 success to leverage another IPOs?
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No, we don't know that.

In fact, Fiat Chrysler (FCA) announced in 2014 that they would be spinning off Ferrari, which they commenced in 2015, completing the IPO in early 2016. It is now a completely separate company to FCA, with it's shares listed on the New York Stock Exchange.

The only connection between FCA and Ferrari is that they share the same chairman, Marchionne.
A little simplistic, Mike, bearing in mind that the Agnelli family essentially own most of FIAT (only fair, since they founded it), and most of the Ferrari shares went to Fiat shareholders.......

https://jalopnik.com/who-will-contro...now-1652197657
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Old 30 Nov 2017, 00:30 (Ref:3784200)   #208
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I'll enjoy seeing Alfa back in the sport of only in...name..and if only for..cynical political purposes.

Still, it'd be nice to see the logo in F1.
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That recent. They still have their Philip Morris money but losing Santander will be a bit of a blow.
Doesn’t Philip Morris own the marketing rights to the car, for onsale?

The financial gap sits with PM if that is the case, not impacting Ferrari at all...
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Doesn’t Philip Morris own the marketing rights to the car, for onsale?

The financial gap sits with PM if that is the case, not impacting Ferrari at all...
Not wanting to digress from the thread, I couldn't find anything on the marketing rights, though Philip Morris renewed their sponsorship of Ferrari in September this year.
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