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Old 4 Oct 2017, 15:10 (Ref:3771776)   #1
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US F1 broadcasting rights switching to ESPN in 2018

This showed up in my news feed this morning...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...a-1/106292318/

Note the comments from NBC as to why they are not continuing as the broadcaster. I am not sure where NBC and Liberty Media directly compete. While searching around for a connection, it sounds like there is a bit of bad blood between NBC and Liberty...

http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorspo...-popcorn-fart/

Basically Liberty thinks NBC was paying too little and also not showing it on their main network (vs NBC Sports where it lives today).

Then there is the obvious question as to what happens with the current NBC F1 broadcast team. Steve Matchett, David Hobbs and Will Buxton have been fixtures of US F1 broadcasting for awhile. Leigh Diffey is new as Bob Varsha didn't move over with the team when the rights moved to NBC.

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Old 4 Oct 2017, 15:15 (Ref:3771778)   #2
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Comment from Buxton on twitter...

https://twitter.com/thebuxtonblog/st...62614997970944

Basically it sounds like he is not sure what is going to happen with the broadcast team. But at the same time... it sounds like he might be leaving NBC ???

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http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/D.../10/04/F1.aspx

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ESPN is not believed to be paying a rights fee for the programming and will rely on a world feed to carry the races

OTT rights are not part of this deal, as F1 will retain control over those rights -- a position that proved to be a sticking point with NBC
http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/...ne-rights-2018

United States and Mexico will air live on ABC.
Monaco will air live on ESPN and delayed on ABC.
Canada and Britain will air live on ESPN.
All other races will air live on ESPN2.
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Old 4 Oct 2017, 17:54 (Ref:3771816)   #4
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Thanks for that link. Either my lack of understanding how the broadcast rights work is quite bad, or maybe that article is poorly written. This part in particular confuses me...

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Neither side would comment on financials, but ESPN is not believed to be paying a rights fee for the programming and will rely on a world feed to carry the races.
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This makes ZERO sense to me. There is no way FOM just lets ESPN broadcast without paying a fee. It is my understanding that ALL broadcasters use the world feed content (produced by FOM's broadcast arm). Then they can add whatever extra (such as commentary by their own team) to craft their own broadcast. Additionally, per posts in the UK F1 broadcast thread, it seems that FOM also owns the rights to those customized broadcasts as well. So for example FOM owns the rights to the NBC content that is created today and would be the same for the ESPN content in the future. I assume that is done for many reasons. But mostly to protect the IP that FOM has given it is derivative work of licensed content.

Regarding NBC not being involved going forward...

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The circuit's OTT rights are not part of this deal, as F1 will retain control over those rights -- a position that proved to be a sticking point with NBC, which had carried races on NBCSN since '13.
So I assume that previously NBC had "exclusive" rights for the US market. That they could pick and choose what they showed via the main free to view/OTT "NBC" channels or broadcast on pay (via cable or sat) NBCSN or maybe via an NBC streaming app (not sure if that existed as I never would have used it).

As to a "sticking point" with NBC, I assume it's not so much that FOM was keeping the rights for free/OTT but rather NBC was probably not willing to pay whatever FOM wanted to allow NBC to keep the exclusive rights for the US market (current NBC deal).

I assume that the ESPN deal is not exclusive so that FOM was able to work separate deals for free/OTT with ABC. NBC wouldn't have wanted to broadcast some stuff on NBCSN and then have ABC (a direct competitor) do select races OTT. So that is probably the conflict.

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Old 4 Oct 2017, 18:20 (Ref:3771824)   #5
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Richard, like so much in the world of F1, a great amount of it is convoluted and opaque. This was how BCE liked it, because he could take advantage of the fact that no one else knew what other entities were entitled to or getting. No reason why the broadcasting deals would be any different, and it would seem as though Liberty are continuing the legacy.

I believe that broadcasting deals were independently negotiated for different territories, and the deal that one broadcaster got could well be different to that in a neighbouring territory. And even the deals done by tender process in one country could provide different outcomes.

For example, most of the broadcasting deals allow only for the races to be shown by the designated broadcaster. However, in the not too distant past, the UK's BBC's rights allowed it to sell on the programmes (live) to other certain countries. I do not believe that this right was granted to any of the other UK broadcasters, i.e. ITV, Channel 4 and SKY.

It may well be this "right" that is being discussed by NBC and ESPN. That they cannot sell it on to third parties.
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Old 4 Oct 2017, 19:50 (Ref:3771847)   #6
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I think there is a bit of confusion in the articles not least because they don't explain what is available to the National Rights holders/broadcasters.

No one other than FOM is allowed to film Live track action with their own cameras. The most they can do is film in the pits at certain times such as during Free Practices and when the pit lane opens Pre race.

So the term OTT relates to On The Track action. Whilst many broadcasters are happy to take the OTT World feed, some do want to supplement this or even provide alternative coverage of their own.

The most obvious version of this that I've come across is in Golf at The Open (the British Open as some American's refer to it), where there is jointly produced (Host Broadcaster/European Tour) world feed, from which a separate feed for the UK is carved. But the US network that is covering it sets up their own cameras and covers the entire event independently of the word feed.

So getting back to F1, my read is that, the sticking point with the US networks was that they were wanting to set up track cameras at all events or perhaps provide the World feed at the US event themselves (as Monaco).

In terms of the not paying a rights fee, National broadcasters that want to present their programmes from the venues pay an additional fee, than those who only want the OTT. These will have an agreement with another national broadcaster who is on site for commentary and possibly access to interviews etc.

As such, I'm taking what's in that article to mean that ESPN aren't paying the extra to have their full OB production crew to host shows on-site. That the shows will be hosted from the US, going to the World feed at the 5 minute sting, and then back to the studio. They may have a single camera setup for interviews that can be sent back to the US on the media centre uplinks.

I could be very wrong, but that's my take on what Ive read.
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This is probably because millions of people suffered ear burn and brain damage from listening to NBC commentary, if their NASCAR coverage is anything to go by.

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This is probably because millions of people suffered ear burn and brain damage from listening to NBC commentary, if their NASCAR coverage is anything to go by.
Nah. The nbcsn crew is great. Well, except when varsha is there. He sucks all life out of it. But I am not going to like this if they don't keep the same crew. And will they still broadcast fp1 and qualifying? Because espn2 has other programming on Friday mornings when fp1 is usually on. Would not be surprised if those two sessions become relegated to online with espn3 or pay for it online. That would severely suck.
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No one other than FOM is allowed to film Live track action with their own cameras. The most they can do is film in the pits at certain times such as during Free Practices and when the pit lane opens Pre race.
Makes sense. I would add, there seems to be allowed press scrums during/after race as well to interview drivers, etc.

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So the term OTT relates to On The Track action.
I totally screwed that up and converted OTT to OTA (over the air).

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So getting back to F1, my read is that, the sticking point with the US networks was that they were wanting to set up track cameras at all events or perhaps provide the World feed at the US event themselves (as Monaco).
I would be absolutely shocked if anyone (including the largest US networks) had much if any interest in running their own cameras at events. "Maybe" at the US GP. The problem is that F1 is still a bit of novelty in the US. We generally feel luck if we are able to watch it all let alone some network spending significant money for their own production.

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As such, I'm taking what's in that article to mean that ESPN aren't paying the extra to have their full OB production crew to host shows on-site. That the shows will be hosted from the US, going to the World feed at the 5 minute sting, and then back to the studio. They may have a single camera setup for interviews that can be sent back to the US on the media centre uplinks.
I hope this does not preclude the current setup of pit lane interviews, etc. with Will Buxton. Assuming Will or anyone from the current team moves to ESPN.

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Nah. The nbcsn crew is great. Well, except when varsha is there. He sucks all life out of it. But I am not going to like this if they don't keep the same crew. And will they still broadcast fp1 and qualifying? Because espn2 has other programming on Friday mornings when fp1 is usually on. Would not be surprised if those two sessions become relegated to online with espn3 or pay for it online. That would severely suck.
I like the current crew. I even liked Varsha. I know some are not a fan of Diffey. I think Diffey has other stuff that he does for NBC. I don't know if Buxton, Hobbs and Matchett have other NBC roles. If not, I can imagine them moving to ESPN?

I think ESPN has committed to showing the practice sessions, but I fully expect some/most of that to be pushed to secondary channels or even online only (yuck).

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Makes sense. I would add, there seems to be allowed press scrums during/after race as well to interview drivers, etc.
The interview pen is in the paddock and not covered by the FOM feed as it's for individual national broadcasters to get their questions to the drivers. If ESPN are going to have a limited on-site presence then they would still have a single camera and reporter there for that. Otherwise they would be buying another broadcasters interviews possibly with the reporting holding an marked mike as well as their own.

But as I say that's just my reading of the articles and could be completely wrong.
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There is no way FOM just lets ESPN broadcast without paying a fee.
Well, it's free advertising... I'm pretty sure that F1 team sponsors like getting live coverage on ESPN2.

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I assume it's not so much that FOM was keeping the rights for free/OTT but rather NBC was probably not willing to pay whatever FOM wanted to allow NBC to keep the exclusive rights for the US market (current NBC deal).
On the contrary, I think that F1 was not willing to sell full rights to NBC. Liberty Global wants to develop an in-house streaming service.
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No one other than FOM is allowed to film Live track action with their own cameras. The most they can do is film in the pits at certain times such as during Free Practices and when the pit lane opens Pre race.

So the term OTT relates to On The Track action. Whilst many broadcasters are happy to take the OTT World feed, some do want to supplement this or even provide alternative coverage of their own.
Not correct. The article says that over-the-top (digital streaming) rights are not part of the deal.
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I stand corrected, I hadn't noticed the explanation of OTT.
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This sucks on many levels. I don't trust ESPN to give us qualifying and practice. We will get first take or whatever other crap they are running in the morning. I am concerned they will show up for the formation lap and call it good with very little lead in.

I like the current commentary team. I also like the fact that all of them have appeared on IndyCar broadcasts which can't happen now. Abc/ESPN is absolutely awful with their IndyCar coverage, really hope they go away and now they get f1. They won't give it the time and attention it deserves. I really don't like ESPN in general much less their dog crap motorsports coverage, this sucks
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This sucks on many levels. I don't trust ESPN to give us qualifying and practice. We will get first take or whatever other crap they are running in the morning. I am concerned they will show up for the formation lap and call it good with very little lead in.

I like the current commentary team. I also like the fact that all of them have appeared on IndyCar broadcasts which can't happen now. Abc/ESPN is absolutely awful with their IndyCar coverage, really hope they go away and now they get f1. They won't give it the time and attention it deserves. I really don't like ESPN in general much less their dog crap motorsports coverage, this sucks
These same thoughts are running through my head. But I'm waiting to hear details, such as if the nbcsn crew moves over or something. Claiming espn2 will air it worries me because they have daily shows they run there right now so it makes me worried fp2 akd qualifying end up online only. We'll see....
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