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Old 20 Jul 2017, 09:13 (Ref:3753010)   #256
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I can't see this country adopting the Code 60, any time soon.

Makes too much sense.
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Old 20 Jul 2017, 09:30 (Ref:3753017)   #257
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I can't see this country adopting the Code 60, any time soon.

Makes too much sense.
Just adopt the F1 Safety Car rule. It would be a start.
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Old 20 Jul 2017, 09:34 (Ref:3753019)   #258
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You can't have it both ways

Interesting you get stuck in to the open-wheelers about safety, but staunchly defend a Supercars rule...

It's either a danger or it isn't, plain and simple.
ive done no such thing. (dont make it personal) F1 are are the one getting stuck into safety. Just today they introduced the "Halo" in the name of safety. on top of many things in the past

And its not a supercars rule either, Happened in the 12 hour prior to Supercars taking over, happens in a lot of motorsport in Australia.

We dont stop doing things because they are dangerous, we just make effort to reduce risk. something that occurs under SC, Im guessing they will do more in the future
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Old 20 Jul 2017, 11:54 (Ref:3753067)   #259
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We dont stop doing things because they are dangerous, we just make effort to reduce risk.
Why? Wouldn't it be better to simply ban motorsport? Such a law works quite well in Switzerland.
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Why? Wouldn't it be better to simply ban motorsport? Such a law works quite well in Switzerland.
Im assuming you left off an emoticon

Things in life have danger, we would have to stop driving if we stopped doing dangerous things. But rather than stop we do thing to reduce the risk
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Old 20 Jul 2017, 22:31 (Ref:3753199)   #261
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TCR is trucking along nicely - so many manufacturers. They are even launching a series in the UK, the heartland of touring car racing... that's confidence!
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Old 20 Jul 2017, 23:02 (Ref:3753208)   #262
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Why? Wouldn't it be better to simply ban motorsport? Such a law works quite well in Switzerland.
I once stayed in a hotel in Netstal that celebrated the history of motorsport in Switzerland.

But back on topic TCR might be great for competitors but in the admittedly limited exposure I have to it the cars on TV look slow and drive like they are on rails.

Any car when driven flat out should at least appear to be on edge.

They would be a poor substitute for Supercars.
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Old 21 Jul 2017, 03:21 (Ref:3753233)   #263
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Whatever happens next, I think the health of the series is heavily reliant on naturally occurring entertainment (that means no gimmicks like contrived fuel / pitstop regs, entertainment yellows, reverse grids, etc). People enjoy watching and are captivated by bold moves, overtakes and action, which overall, is something I feel like the current formula is lacking.

In regards to the mention of "what people want to see", in my experiences with non-motoring people that I've watched races with, they love seeing overtakes, or at least, overtaking attempts. They don't notice the speed or style of cars, they care about action. The problem with Supercars at the moment is that they're all extremely close in terms of lap time, which sounds great on paper but doesn't really make for reliably exciting on track action. A great example was the race at QR last year (or the year before), with Caruso in the Nissan following behind another car for many laps, finally making an unsuccessful passing attempt with that failed passing attempt being enough to kill the tyres and ruin Caruso's pace. Does anyone else remember that one? That's a big problem, IMO.

I'm also somewhat uncertain of what I think of the development freedom that teams have, with enormous investment spent chasing the tiniest of gains. I'm someone that appreciates technical development, but I do often wonder if this is the right way for it to be done in this series.

How would I change things for the future? Well, I'd look to the Japanese Super GT series for influence, as I think they've struck a great balance between entertainment, development and competition. I'd move to a multi-class formula, with two purposes there.

The first benefit to multi-class racing being to create more natural race traffic, which in turn results in a more exciting and entertaining dynamic to the race, as overtaking becomes a far more important skill than it currently is (currently most races are won by hotlapping, not overtaking), as the race leaders have to be able to negotiate traffic and make the right moves at the right time.

The second is that we can then help different teams find a competitive home that is best suited to their budget. You would have somewhere between 10 to 20 cars running in an outright class with bigger development freedoms and more of an engineering focus and a second class with tighter regulations, lower costs (perhaps even full parity regs?) with maybe 15-30 cars in this class.

Performance wise, I'd love to see an outright class with more power, grip and lower laptimes overall. Can this be achieved on a reasonable budget if we were using more flexible technical regs? It would be very interesting to see what a 888 / DJRTP / FPR style team could put together. Other teams without as much of an engineering team - or even a few Super2 teams - would then slot into the second class, with these cars perhaps sitting around the same pace as the current cars, perhaps detuned for reliability.

I'd match all this with a move back to single race weekends, as longer races have proven to be more dynamic and interesting IMO. Single race formats also make for a more compelling championship fight, as each win / loss has a far more significant bearing on the title. (Single races may also reduce running costs for certain teams, as you can only crash out of one race in a weekend....).

Do I think anything like this will ever happen? Not really. But I know there will be some very interesting times ahead...
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I think Supercar rules does a good job in regards to on track action.

For example, DTM might be the pinnacle of Touring Car Racing but it is more often than not an exercise in follow the leader.
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They are even launching a series in the UK, the heartland of touring car racing... that's confidence!
Touring Car racing has been THE big deal here since I guess late 60's, early 70's whereas it was a 2nd or 3rd string deal in the UK behind single seaters & sports cars until late 80's but even then it wasn't as big a deal there as it was here.
Heartland? Hardly.
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