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Old 22 Nov 2013, 10:41 (Ref:3335166)   #16
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Here is about the best answer to your question. Comes from ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup...vious-cup-cars

Enlarge the picture of the first picture and it gives a great illistration. Hope this helps.
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Old 22 Nov 2013, 11:43 (Ref:3335183)   #17
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I quite liked the Gen 4. The Gen 6 is tolerable.
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Old 22 Nov 2013, 16:06 (Ref:3335260)   #18
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I quite liked the Gen 4. The Gen 6 is tolerable.
I prefer Gen 1 and 2 cars. These were basically "stock" cars. With each successive generation, the cars became less and less "stock" Went from "stock" to "stock-appearing" to, with the COT Brick, nothing even closely resembling "stock". Gen 6 brings it back to "stock-appearing."
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Old 22 Nov 2013, 21:07 (Ref:3335390)   #19
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I prefer Gen 1 and 2 cars. These were basically "stock" cars. With each successive generation, the cars became less and less "stock" Went from "stock" to "stock-appearing" to, with the COT Brick, nothing even closely resembling "stock". Gen 6 brings it back to "stock-appearing."
One can pretty much divide them to pre-'72 and post '72.

The last, that I know of, NASCAR stocker built off of a body in white, was a 1972 Torino built for Bobby Unser to run at Riverside.

After that they slowly moved to full tube-frame imitations.

PS-- There was a genuine seventies Grand-Am Pontiac built. (I.e. Pontiac engine) I am not sure of the chassis though.
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Old 23 Nov 2013, 00:30 (Ref:3335468)   #20
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One can pretty much divide them to pre-'72 and post '72.

The last, that I know of, NASCAR stocker built off of a body in white, was a 1972 Torino built for Bobby Unser to run at Riverside.

After that they slowly moved to full tube-frame imitations.

PS-- There was a genuine seventies Grand-Am Pontiac built. (I.e. Pontiac engine) I am not sure of the chassis though.
No, the "body in white" build lasted through the 70s. I believe what you are thinking of is the last car built by Holman & Moody, the Torino built to run at Riverside. It was a 73, not a 72 model. That car is in a museum somewhere now. Saw it in an old issue of Stock Car Racing magazine.
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No, the "body in white" build lasted through the 70s. I believe what you are thinking of is the last car built by Holman & Moody, the Torino built to run at Riverside. It was a 73, not a 72 model. That car is in a museum somewhere now. Saw it in an old issue of Stock Car Racing magazine.

I double checked and he car was raced in Jan. 1973 but it was built in 1972 and was called a '72.

H & M were not on good terms with NASCAR and the car was not built for just that race but they saw no reason to go to Daytona and be miserable so that was their last race.

Up to that point Fords and Mopars were still running on Ford or Mopar chassis, although not all Ford chassis were a body on white type of build, but the Chevy that won in 1971 was a Chevy body on a Ford chassis.

The AMC Matador ran on a H&M chassis.
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Old 23 Nov 2013, 10:07 (Ref:3335616)   #22
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I double checked and he car was raced in Jan. 1973 but it was built in 1972 and was called a '72.

H & M were not on good terms with NASCAR and the car was not built for just that race but they saw no reason to go to Daytona and be miserable so that was their last race.

Up to that point Fords and Mopars were still running on Ford or Mopar chassis, although not all Ford chassis were a body on white type of build, but the Chevy that won in 1971 was a Chevy body on a Ford chassis.

The AMC Matador ran on a H&M chassis.
That was pretty much the end for Holman & Moody. What really killed them was Ford's exit from factory support in racing, after the 1970 season. Throughout the 60s the WERE Ford Motor Company Racing! I always liked that team, list of drivers read like the Hall of Fame. John Holman and Ralph Moody did not get along well in the last couple of years either. It was a sad, inglourious end, to one of the most storied teams in NASCAR.

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Neat link there, R. Lee. I prefer the Gen 3, because that is what i grew up with but the Gen 2 was the greatest. It was during the last "real" factory support, where Detroit was actually building cars for the track, and selling street versions of them. Now they are all same, less the badges and light decals.

I did notice the #9 is on their twice.
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Neat link there, R. Lee. I prefer the Gen 3, because that is what i grew up with but the Gen 2 was the greatest. It was during the last "real" factory support, where Detroit was actually building cars for the track, and selling street versions of them. Now they are all same, less the badges and light decals.

I did notice the #9 is on their twice.
I have to agree, Gen 2 (along with Gen 1, for me) is the greatest, they're what I grew up with!
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Gen 2 and 3 for me.

Gen 2 were the best looking (i mean just look at that '73 Charger!) and Gen 3 were the fastest until Nascar (quite rightly i think) shat themselves and slowed em down.

Must have been great being at the track in the Gen 2 era. You could tell what car was what even without a number on the side. Only now are we almost geting back to that with the Gen 6.
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Gen 2 and 3 for me.

Gen 2 were the best looking (i mean just look at that '73 Charger!) and Gen 3 were the fastest until Nascar (quite rightly i think) shat themselves and slowed em down.

Must have been great being at the track in the Gen 2 era. You could tell what car was what even without a number on the side. Only now are we almost geting back to that with the Gen 6.
CORRECT! It was GREAT being at the track during the Gen 2 (and Gen 1) era! Wish those days had not gone away! Glad we're getting somewhat back to them, appearence wise, anyway!
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Upon pondering on this, I think there are really only two types of stock cars, and this bled on down to othr sanctions also.
Pre-Taurus and post Taurus.

I do have to admire GM, to a degree, for creating the fwd Monte Carlo for the NASCAR tracks, even if it was a miserable failure.
By then Big Bill was dead that the remaining France boys were clueless little rich twits.
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Upon pondering on this, I think there are really only two types of stock cars, and this bled on down to othr sanctions also.
Pre-Taurus and post Taurus.

I do have to admire GM, to a degree, for creating the fwd Monte Carlo for the NASCAR tracks, even if it was a miserable failure.
By then Big Bill was dead that the remaining France boys were clueless little rich twits.
I will have to disagree, slightly, on Bill France Jr. I don't believe Bill Jr was clueless. He worked closely with his dad and learned and knew the business. As for Brian and any after Bill Jr. FULLY agree -- absolutely CLUELESS!
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