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Old 12 Oct 2013, 23:51 (Ref:3316868)   #26
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He won't "let" Webber win .. I'd like him less if he did anyway.
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 06:00 (Ref:3316977)   #27
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 06:06 (Ref:3316981)   #28
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Grosjean got the jump on Vettel and Webber.
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 06:11 (Ref:3316984)   #29
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Romain!

Unlucky for Hamilton, Grosjean's stupendous start meant Vettel had nowhere to go.
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 06:26 (Ref:3316994)   #30
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That was close; Rosberg so nearly collected Perez on that pit release.
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 06:29 (Ref:3316996)   #31
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Drive through for Rosberg. A real classic weekend for Mercedes.
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 06:39 (Ref:3316999)   #32
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This is a great battle for 4th, real glad the TV Director's sticking with this.
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 07:24 (Ref:3317003)   #33
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 07:26 (Ref:3317004)   #34
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Romain has been fantastic, shame he doesn't quite have the car to contend.
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 07:28 (Ref:3317005)   #35
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Romain has been fantastic, shame he doesn't quite have the car to contend.
Agreed. But if Grosjean hadn't been holding up Webber, we would have finally seen someone take the fight to Vettel, I think.

Webber just got by - but about 5 laps too late. About 8.5 seconds behind Vettel.
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 07:37 (Ref:3317006)   #36
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Congrats to Vettel. RBR clearly had the better tyre strategy than Lotus.
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 08:13 (Ref:3317014)   #37
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Another tyre economy run.
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 08:43 (Ref:3317028)   #38
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Congrats to Vettel. RBR clearly had the better tyre strategy than Lotus.
And Vettel got the better strategy of 2 Red Bull drivers. No surprises there, of course...
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 08:47 (Ref:3317033)   #39
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Well Webber backed himself into a corner with his lighter rear wing setting in fairness. That will not have helped his tyres at all, particularly in a race where drivers were being told to hold a two second gap to the car in front, just in case...
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 08:59 (Ref:3317043)   #40
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And Vettel got the better strategy of 2 Red Bull drivers. No surprises there, of course...
I highly doubt Webber could have made a two stopper work, particularly eking out the middle stint for as long as Seb did
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 09:08 (Ref:3317049)   #41
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I highly doubt Webber could have made a two stopper work, particularly eking out the middle stint for as long as Seb did
According to autosport.com, he thinks he could.

Anyhow, making up roughly 20 seconds and passing 2 cars (that have been running at your pace during 25 laps) in the last 28 laps was never going to work either.

I'm not saying Red Bull didn't want Webber to win, they wouldn't have minded if he did -- they just wanted Vettel to win more.
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 09:13 (Ref:3317051)   #42
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Simon Rennie to Webber on radio: "OK, mate, nice job today, very good job. OK mate, we were pretty marginal on wear, which is why we switched...um, think would've been very tight to do a 2, which is why we switched, sorry mate."

Webber's reply: (No response).

Horner to Webber on radio: "That's a very good drive, Mark, that's a very good drive, unfortunately we lost too much time by Grosjean at the end there.., but uh, but uh, it's a really good drive, well done."

Webber's reply: (No response).

Webber in a post race interview: "After 1st stop I was told it was a two-stop & then in the middle of stint we changed tactic. I asked if it would work, they said yes.”

Gary Anderson thinks Red Bull deliberately put Webber on a three-stop to clear the way for Vettel. And Red Bull may have tried to use Webber as a pawn to try and trick Lotus into following Webber's strategy with Grosjean.
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 09:33 (Ref:3317066)   #44
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[QUOTE=321Go;3317051Gary Anderson thinks Red Bull deliberately put Webber on a three-stop to clear the way for Vettel. And Red Bull may have tried to use Webber as a pawn to try and trick Lotus into following Webber's strategy with Grosjean.[/QUOTE]

It never ceases to amaze me how people are so willing to see a big conspiracy when it's not really there. Facts are that Webber couldn't manage his tyres, needed to switch to a three stopper, and Seb did an extraordinary job keeping life in his tyres before his final stop.
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Facts are that Webber couldn't manage his tyres
That is also just an assumption, right?
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It never ceases to amaze me how people are so willing to see a big conspiracy when it's not really there..
Go speak to Gary Anderson about it. I just posted what HIS thoughts were.

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Facts is it??? Rightio, whatever YOU say.
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That is also just an assumption, right?
Nope. It's fact. He said so.
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Historically, over their time in Red Bull, who has consistently got more life out of their tyres - Mark or Seb?
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Historically, over their time in Red Bull, who has consistently got more life out of their tyres - Mark or Seb?
Vettel, more often than not. But not by a margin of 9 laps (even more than half of a stint)

There was no evidence in Webber's laptimes that his tires were going off.
I'm wondering which fact you see for him unable to manage his tires.
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I am NEVER one to subscribe to conspiracy theories, but after watching the way Red Bull engineered Webber out what should have been a race win by putting Vettel on a better strategy I am quite gobsmacked. I was so annoyed by the race end. Couldn't believe they did that. 15 laps to go he held a 15 second lead, and I believe still a good shot at winning the race even though his tyres were much older than Vettel's. Bringing him in was as good as handing it to Vettel on a platter IMO I think when Webber watches the replay of this race and how it unfolded he will be very annoyed.
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