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Old 7 May 2023, 23:41 (Ref:4154938)   #1
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A thread for all the prototype Cadillac going ons! in WEC and IMSA, but I think the most appropriate subforum is N.A.

Just some general

Launch of the GTP: https://www.dailysportscar.com/2023/...ac-v-lmdh.html

WEC update for Spa: https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...ineup-for-spa/
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Old 8 May 2023, 00:55 (Ref:4154945)   #2
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What a silly thread? What's the point? er, I needed somewhere to put these.

Driver comparison's from WEC so far this year (er, you're in NA Sportscar - idiot).

Sebring:
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RankCarFastestTop 10Top 20Top 40
1Earl BAMBER (Cadillac 2)1:48.6071:49.1071:49.3051:49.546
2Richard WESTBROOK (Cadillac 2)1:49.4661:49.7721:50.0631:50.584
3Alex LYNN (Cadillac 2)1:49.5141:49.7091:50.1081:51.167
It's all Bamber. In terms of speed, consistency and just how long they put him in the car (which helps a little with this view).

Portimao:

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RankCarFastestTop 10Top 20Top 40
1Earl BAMBER (Cadillac 2)1:33.0771:33.7551:34.0021:34.318
2Alex LYNN (Cadillac 2)1:33.4011:33.5671:33.8511:34.313
3Richard WESTBROOK (Cadillac 2)1:33.6261:34.0471:34.2211:34.528
Bamber has the fastest lap and generally is quickest. Still gets the most laps.
But Lynn has the faster 3rd to 20th lap.

Spa:
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1Richard WESTBROOK (Cadillac 2)2:04.9062:07.8062:08.627NA
2Alex LYNN (Cadillac 2)2:05.3722:06.7052:07.1292:09.652
3Renger VAN DER ZANDE (Cadillac 3)2:06.7272:07.6602:08.2032:25.463
4Earl BAMBER (Cadillac 2)2:06.8912:07.2122:07.5992:08.897
Westbrook has the fastest lap (conditions? Bamber missed out?). Lynn has the edge over Bamber. Bamber gets a few more laps and did the early running. Only Van der Zande gets a go in the no.3 - crashes (is OK). His driving was in the worse conditions too.

I'm putting Bamber in for the crucial moments, but based on Portimao any of them can do the hard mileage in the no.2.
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Old 9 Jun 2023, 02:52 (Ref:4160929)   #3
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Driver Comparison update! Le Mans practice and qualifying.

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1Sébastien BOURDAIS (Cadillac 3)3:24.9083:26.4003:28.5143:30.28632
2Earl BAMBER (Cadillac 2)3:25.1703:26.0283:27.6033:29.17240
3Luis Felipe DERANI (Cadillac 311)3:27.9603:29.3883:30.0823:30.91938
4Jack AITKEN (Cadillac 311)3:28.2773:29.1513:29.9093:30.61235
5Alexander SIMS (Cadillac 311)3:28.6033:29.1583:29.7583:30.52931
6Alex LYNN (Cadillac 2)3:29.2563:30.2793:31.2713:38.43121
7Scott DIXON (Cadillac 3)3:29.4453:30.2593:30.9723:31.82638
8Richard WESTBROOK (Cadillac 2)3:29.9483:30.5423:31.0083:31.63331
9Renger VAN DER ZANDE (Cadillac 3)3:30.2383:30.8393:31.7813:33.76020

These will be more useful from the race. Lots more laps and actual competitive laps.
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Old 9 Jun 2023, 02:58 (Ref:4160931)   #4
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Man, I feel for Seb. It was a good time. Which still appear in this list as deleted times aren't, er, deleted from this data set.
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Man, I feel for Seb. It was a good time.
He safely parked his car. The red flag was very conservative but probably necessary. Sad for him and all the team. Still, Bamber is really fast.
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Driver Comparison update! Le Mans practice and qualifying.

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1Sébastien BOURDAIS (Cadillac 3)3:24.9083:26.4003:28.5143:30.28632
2Earl BAMBER (Cadillac 2)3:25.1703:26.0283:27.6033:29.17240
3Luis Felipe DERANI (Cadillac 311)3:27.9603:29.3883:30.0823:30.91938
4Jack AITKEN (Cadillac 311)3:28.2773:29.1513:29.9093:30.61235
5Alexander SIMS (Cadillac 311)3:28.6033:29.1583:29.7583:30.52931
6Alex LYNN (Cadillac 2)3:29.2563:30.2793:31.2713:38.43121
7Scott DIXON (Cadillac 3)3:29.4453:30.2593:30.9723:31.82638
8Richard WESTBROOK (Cadillac 2)3:29.9483:30.5423:31.0083:31.63331
9Renger VAN DER ZANDE (Cadillac 3)3:30.2383:30.8393:31.7813:33.76020

These will be more useful from the race. Lots more laps and actual competitive laps.
Of course Seb and Earl have the fastest times because they were laying it out in qualifying. But overall I think they have a great driver lineup here, and if Renger has the slowest times at the end of the 24 I'd be surprised.


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Man, I feel for Seb. It was a good time. Which still appear in this list as deleted times aren't, er, deleted from this data set.
I was gutted for him and the team. They put their car ahead of Toyota and just behind Ferrari only to have it go up in flames.
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Any information about what went wrong on he #3 ?
I hope it was only a leakage and not the engine itself. I think that the V8 is unbreakable even pushed to 700 hp.
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this doesn't sound very hopeful:

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***Bourdais added that the fire likely inflicted significant damage to the car: “It’s burnt bad, because you can’t get in the engine. You can’t put out the fire because you need to take the rear cell [off] to be able to take the engine deck off. You can’t get the fire out. It slowly burns the car.”
Btw, not the first time a Caddy is having a roasting LM experience, I remember this one like it was yesterday!

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Sounds like lots of electronics could be in need of replacing with that type of flame damage. Probably some seals and other components as well. At least today is a non-track day and they team can go over everything.
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I suspect Ganassi's boys & girls are basically building up a new car.
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“It flooded the car with fuel and it just blew up." Fire was everywhere it seems, even under the front axle: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2FPAvxq2YY0
He's been doing very good and was lucky too.
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I suspect Ganassi's boys & girls are basically building up a new car.
Those guys are earning their keep in these temperatures, good luck to them. Evidently in took a full day to replace the fuel cell which they had a problem with previously, sounds very much like a connection leaking or coming loose.
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“It flooded the car with fuel and it just blew up." Fire was everywhere it seems, even under the front axle: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2FPAvxq2YY0
He's been doing very good and was lucky too.
On a side note: noticed the hybrid status indicator light was green so car was not electrically 'active' and basically okay to touch (although I'd still be very suspicious, especially after witnessing a Peugeot "Christmas light show" [red-green-off-red]in person @ Sebring this year. You should have seen Loic Duval jumping out of that car like a high jump athlete!).
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Good news! https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...yperpole-fire/
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Let’s go. I look forward to seeing some masterful helmsmanship from the drivers in that car.
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Having to add oil to the car at every pit stop cost them up to 15 seconds per stop and around 3 minutes by the end of the race - dropping them from the lead lap. Interesting they attribute this problem to the renewable fuel - same thing happened at Daytona.

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A really good show from the caddy teams lets hope the small problems can be fixed.
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Thanks for the intersting link. Yes, they can be proud! If the issues about the oil consumption come from the fuel, he's fair not to mention that the official supplier is also a Pug's official sponsor. As to other issues, I remember Boudais talking about the wiring and other connections between the steering wheel and the main computer and the ECU itself. Anyway, great race, fantastic results for Cadillac.
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The oil consuption thing is quite intersting I find. It is (or was?) restricted in F1 because when burning the oil participates to the octane level. That's why its so important to have a good deal with the supplier, you can beneficiate of all the R&D important and hard work. In the past, the best combination was supplied by Eni an Italian company. At LM, it was Total a French company.
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Having to add oil to the car at every pit stop cost them up to 15 seconds per stop and around 3 minutes by the end of the race - dropping them from the lead lap. Interesting they attribute this problem to the renewable fuel - same thing happened at Daytona.

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Very interesting. And good feedback and information for Caddy and Total.
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Thanks for the intersting link. Yes, they can be proud! If the issues about the oil consumption come from the fuel, he's fair not to mention that the official supplier is also a Pug's official sponsor. .
Not to mention the fuel is made from French wine leftovers!
From this link provided by Adam in another thread (Interesting article)
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At this year's race all 62 cars, including the many privateer entries, run on a sustainable fuel made from vineyard grape skin waste.

The wine industry's residue is transformed into ethanol, then converted into useable fuel. Its makers say it reduces carbon dioxide emissions by 65%.

It is a very French solution to a global problem.
Cheers. Santé etc.

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Not to mention the fuel is made from French wine leftovers! Cheers. Santé etc…
A la tienne, Etienne works fine too. Do we have to worry about an increase in the price of french wines? Hips!
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