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Old 5 Dec 2017, 09:18 (Ref:3785204)   #51
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 09:43 (Ref:3785207)   #52
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before eventual introduction of Class 1
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 10:16 (Ref:3785212)   #53
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Everything's understood but why three races per weekend?
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 10:20 (Ref:3785213)   #54
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 10:24 (Ref:3785214)   #55
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So they're again thinking on a move to Class One, a regulation merge between a Super GT (Super Grand Touring) and DTM whoose cars in reality are not even close to a touring car to be honest

I have a great respect for both series (Super GT and DTM), but from a touring car point of view makes really no sense. Then I'm really curious about how they're figuring out this Class one/World Touring Car Championship. Not so many time ago we had the ITCC and we know how it failed. From my point of view, it makes sense that DTM and Super GT remain both national championships with some events or finale to be shared together.

That's my opinion. TCR is the best thing after the first S2000 cars with no discredit for the Gold Era of the Super Touring cars
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 12:15 (Ref:3785233)   #56
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 13:54 (Ref:3785244)   #57
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It's right it is happening, it means the world touring cars can continue for some time now
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 18:03 (Ref:3785278)   #58
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So they're again thinking on a move to Class One, a regulation merge between a Super GT (Super Grand Touring) and DTM whoose cars in reality are not even close to a touring car to be honest

I have a great respect for both series (Super GT and DTM), but from a touring car point of view makes really no sense. Then I'm really curious about how they're figuring out this Class one/World Touring Car Championship. Not so many time ago we had the ITCC and we know how it failed. From my point of view, it makes sense that DTM and Super GT remain both national championships with some events or finale to be shared together.

That's my opinion. TCR is the best thing after the first S2000 cars with no discredit for the Gold Era of the Super Touring cars
If the series want to be a world championsip again they must find a stronger forumla/stronger cars than TCR cars.
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 18:36 (Ref:3785284)   #59
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what car makers would wish to enter a super expensive class 1 touring car, as the past shows such championships always collapse pretty quickly
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Old 5 Dec 2017, 18:44 (Ref:3785286)   #60
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If the series want to be a world championsip again they must find a stronger forumla/stronger cars than TCR cars.
Ehm...TC1 was stronger... was
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 15:01 (Ref:3785446)   #61
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If the series want to be a world championsip again they must find a stronger forumla/stronger cars than TCR cars.
WTCC worked quite well with the slower S2000 cars... and the car Roberto Ravaglia drove in 1987 to the first WTCC title had 50hp less then TCR. But 3 races per weekend sounds awesome!
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 20:21 (Ref:3785514)   #62
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The news is out: WTCC and TCR International replaced by WTCR Touring Car Cup

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Old 6 Dec 2017, 20:27 (Ref:3785516)   #63
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WTCR - World Touring Car Rup ?
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 20:32 (Ref:3785517)   #64
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Maybe the biggest question - how long until the name of this forum is changed...?
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 21:38 (Ref:3785521)   #65
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Im curious to know how it will be the format in the weekend. One race on Saturday and two on sunday or three races on Saturday. Im also interested to know how long the race Will be and how will be made the grid for race 2 and 3. Lets hope that almost all ex wtcc drivers will partecipate next year (except those taxi driver like coronel and michigami) together with the best tcr drivers (just the top 10) and we will have great championship!
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 22:40 (Ref:3785538)   #66
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World Touring Car Cup doesn't sound very well and it looks like a huge degradation - adding less powerful cars and no manufacturers. But at least a good number of entries + a few established names probably. I wish them luck. I wonder what the future holds for the WTCR or however we call it.
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 22:56 (Ref:3785545)   #67
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FIA WTCR 2018: WTCC / TCR Merger?

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World - TCR... does anyone even know what TCR has ever stood for???

Touring car racer? Racing?


I think the title shows how firmly Lotti wanted to retain control over his concept.
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Old 7 Dec 2017, 01:12 (Ref:3785565)   #68
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It's good that TCR is the category in use, but there was really no other choice. I hope Lotti keeps a firm grip of it because the FIA will only ruin it if he doesn't.

It's a shame that Eurosport is the promoter, and therefore, broadcaster. The series will have worse coverage than TCR International, like WTCC did.

I don't like the fact that they're limiting wildcard entries. Surely the point of TCR regulations is to make the sport accessible to as many competitors as possible? Why discourage them from competing?

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How do they justify that price hike? Just passing on the cost to teams now that there are no more manufacturers? Or is it just for entrants who wish to compete for the teams' championship, with single car entries being ineligible for that particular title?
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World Touring Car Cup doesn't sound very well and it looks like a huge degradation - adding less powerful cars and no manufacturers. But at least a good number of entries + a few established names probably. I wish them luck. I wonder what the future holds for the WTCR or however we call it.
BIG mistake by the FIA... I just hope the manufacturers come anyway... JAS-Honda Racing with Monteiro, Michelisz, Files against Hyundai Racing with Tarquini, Menu and, why not Yvan Muller? Seat Sport basically has its own team already... Peugeot on the sidelines...

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Old 7 Dec 2017, 07:28 (Ref:3785597)   #70
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Happy they are limiting the wildcards.

Could have an FIA 'World Cup' with a completely different field each race – because there are so many TCR cars about – and in a worse case scenario the title winner may not have completed all races, or be someone who finished 5th in every race, or a gaggle of local drivers could get in the way. Or, just have a crash at the back for light entertainment.
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This quote worries me, firstly the price....secondly the fact that it sounds like teams HAVE to enter two cars.....
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This quote worries me, firstly the price....secondly the fact that it sounds like teams HAVE to enter two cars.....
Same here. You could probably cover the majority of the cost of buying the 2 cars needed for the series with that amount of money.
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How do they justify that price hike? Just passing on the cost to teams now that there are no more manufacturers?
Exactly that. Manufacturer entry fee was 315,000 euros per manufacturer per season.
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