[V8ST12R03] Manfeild - 27–29 Apr 2012

[on_to_it]

That's a real shame, and McLaughlin senior is also a shareholder of V8ST. Unfortunately I think this now signals a more serious turn for the worse, especially if Knight doesn't get through either. Terrible stuff really.

[harcey]

Originally Posted by on_to_it

That's a real shame, and McLaughlin senior is also a shareholder of V8ST. Unfortunately I think this now signals a more serious turn for the worse, especially if Knight doesn't get through either. Terrible stuff really.

This is pretty damn serious.
1x question---"who is paying".
this whole debacle is going to cost serious dollars as you would expect.
I am glad i am not a car owner at this point and certainly feel for the teams where drivers have bought i a carefully derived budget-do they get given the big bill and get told to pay up ??????.
I would venture that the issue was way more serious than let out through the media-i bet the wet yesterday and this morning was a blessing and i bet rain dances are to the fore for the balance of the weekend..

[NZSTfan]

Oh s**t, this doesn't sound good. Thats all i can say about it. My usual positivity about this class is a little dented today after hearing that.

[harcey]

nice job jonny reid to win race 1-clinical drive.and Ant pederson 4th is a good result for international motorsport..

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by harcey

This is pretty damn serious.
1x question---"who is paying".
this whole debacle is going to cost serious dollars as you would expect.
I am glad i am not a car owner at this point and certainly feel for the teams where drivers have bought i a carefully derived budget-do they get given the big bill and get told to pay up ??????.
I would venture that the issue was way more serious than let out through the media-i bet the wet yesterday and this morning was a blessing and i bet rain dances are to the fore for the balance of the weekend..

I think it is quite odd that this engine issue seems to be isolated now to one particular team, There were revisions to the cooling induction before the last round weren't there? And work on a baffle solution for the sumps from Cragsted?

Perhaps MPC got their sums wrong and didnt find the magic trick to keeping the engines alive like other teams?

[on_to_it]

Agreed, considering he only qualified 12th. International Motorsport are doing a very good job with these cars.

[Speedwayracer44]

Great to have another winner although things dont sound good for McLaughlin. Add this ontop of his recent drama with Geoff Short in Hamilton and I reckon Wayne will be about to knock someone. Dont know if its been out there but Geoff Short gained access to the supercheap workshop claiming he wanted something of his own out of there and took photos and measurements of their cars and sent them to MSNZ the following day and then bragged about it. Word is that Wayne paid a couple of people a visit associated with the NZV8 car soon after and short and his gear was removed from the workshop soon after. You have got to ask yourself what this member of MSC, MPL, MSNZ was doing here and shows the lengths the sport is going to to ensure they try and win this battle!

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by Speedwayracer44

Great to have another winner although things dont sound good for McLaughlin. Add this ontop of his recent drama with Geoff Short in Hamilton and I reckon Wayne will be about to knock someone. Dont know if its been out there but Geoff Short gained access to the supercheap workshop claiming he wanted something of his own out of there and took photos and measurements of their cars and sent them to MSNZ the following day and then bragged about it. Word is that Wayne paid a couple of people a visit associated with the NZV8 car soon after and short and his gear was removed from the workshop soon after. You have got to ask yourself what this member of MSC, MPL, MSNZ was doing here and shows the lengths the sport is going to to ensure they try and win this battle!

I'm a little confused here. Are you saying Short measured and photographed the SuperCheap SuperTourers?

And why would he have gear in their workshop?

We all know he's a thick skinned plonker, but this could set the bar even higher!

[Speedwayracer44]

Super cheap racing apparently use an unused workshop owned by Ingham Booth and shorts gear was in another part but he convinced someone to give him a key and got in there. Who told him to do this though?

[Point2]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

I think it is quite odd that this engine issue seems to be isolated now to one particular team, There were revisions to the cooling induction before the last round weren't there? And work on a baffle solution for the sumps from Cragsted?

Perhaps MPC got their sums wrong and didnt find the magic trick to keeping the engines alive like other teams?

Others teams are putting it down to the oil being used.
I spoke to drivers and their teams while we where on the pitwall Friday
They have had no problems at all. But oil type popped up in conversation more than once by more than one team.

Us. (challenge cup)Well we just had a **** weekend and we put the car back on the trailer before qualifying this morning. Melted a throttle cable. Then chased a misfire
Not worth blowing a motor so back in the garage.

[Biggy G]

For all the dramas, what a day! Wet running, dry running and a fantastic race to cap it off, keep and eye on the drives from Bell and Pedersen in R1, both drove the wheels off their cars.

My photos from today: Saturday V8 Supertourer Photos

[DX20VT]

Originally Posted by Point2

Others teams are putting it down to the oil being used.
I spoke to drivers and their teams while we where on the pitwall Friday
They have had no problems at all. But oil type popped up in conversation more than once by more than one team.

We have stuck oil type and overheating being related together also on some race cars.
One car we were involved with was running on a new type of oil and overheated in 10 mins of qualifying.
An oil change later and it completed the 3 hour enduro later that day with no problems.
We found the the car had a large oil cooler fitted,
but the new type of 'better' oil did not absorb heat from the engine as well as one of it's "benefits'.
This meant the heat not absorbed by the oil and lost by the oil cooler now also has to be lost through the radiator which was just too much for it.

Other simple fixes could be a change of fuel, as have found the 98 creates more heat than avgas,
and of course E85 is a geat cooler, but E85 requires more than just a drain and refill of the gas tank, there is a lot of other stuff to look at too.

[on_to_it]

I'm not an expert on this engine overheating issue, but why would you put baffles in a dry sumped engine in an attempt to fix it (as I believe V8ST have said they will do). I thought baffles were only used in high performance wet sumped engines. Anyone?

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Perhaps MPC got their sums wrong and didnt find the magic trick to keeping the engines alive like other teams?

The organisers are suggesting there may be an engine installation problem on some cars. As this team seem to be having the most drama, you might accept that could be the case. But MPC didn't build their cars, they were assembled by the same people who have built other cars that aren't having problems.

[Southern Man]

Originally Posted by on_to_it

I'm not an expert on this engine overheating issue, but why would you put baffles in a dry sumped engine in an attempt to fix it (as I believe V8ST have said they will do). I thought baffles were only used in high performance wet sumped engines. Anyone?

Perhaps they are having an issue with the oil running away from the scavenge pump pick up due to G force under braking, acceleration and/or cornering. If the scavenge was not working correctly and the engines were holding oil in the sump and associated areas then this too could lead to the overheating of the lubricant and the resultant loss of heat transfer capabilities