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They (the commentators) said he was ordered to let Ricciardo, and that Verstappen did what he usually does when such an order comes: nothing. Their words, not mine. True, most of the times it doesn't, and both drivers fall back in the latter part of the race. |
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With Daniel 10sec behind at the finish, despite Verstappen clearly given the wrong tyre choice for the final stint (RB screw up again?), hindsight would say making Max move over would be the wrong choice. |
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Oh I take that back, Massa would let Alonso past if they were within a couple of seconds and driving for Ferrari
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Unfortunatly, that was the only way I could see the race live.
I prefer Channel 4 or RTBF/Tele 21 (French-speaking Belgian TV) but the first one didn't have the race 'live', and the second one is not in my TV package at the moment. To be fair to the Germans, at the moment the broadcast came, Ricciardo was within DRS range. He only fell back afterwards. Quote:
I was surprised they put Rosberg on the yellow ones again after he had that slow puncture. I would have expected purples or maybe reds for him, unless they too didn't have anything else left. |
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I saw that article. The guy's a great racer and when it's going his way he's on top of the world but when things go against him, he can be petulant and sulky and he makes sure everyone knows about it. A bit of humility would be nice.
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But anyway if that's the only tyres they had, then they had no choice. Just saw Verstappen was saying that in the first stint when asked not to hold his teammate up, he said he was saving tyres/fuel, as soon as they requested that, he picked up the pace which is probably why Daniel wasn't so close. Even so, it didn't help Daniel much when he exited behind Raikkonen. |
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Hamilton's 1st corner move is completely unacceptable. He is not even in front and he misses the apex. No one takes that corner like that at the start. You can see cars taking the corner side-by-side and they are all fine. Even if it was "understeer", I think it was a very convenient understeer for Hamilton. He should have at least apologized for ruining his teammate's race. And he should take some pointers from Verstappen.
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I'm guessing you're referring to the second corner incident?
He is level with Rosberg, and is pretty close to the apex. Quote:
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13 Jun 2016, 12:59 (Ref:3649381) | #36 | ||
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It's interesting to see them at it wheel to wheel again, especially seeing as Rosberg pulled over nicely to let Hamilton past last time out. You can understand Rosebrg's annoyance in the circumstances, although there is nothing to suggest that Hamilton would be anything other than as ruthless as he has been in the past.
Hamilton and Rosbergs early season fortunes have crossed over. Before Monaco I honestly thought Hamilton would be lucky to be this close in the championship standings by about the midpoint of the season. |
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I don't think you can compare Rosberg moving over in Monaco with the first (or second, crmalcolm) corner in Canada. In Monaco Rosberg was bog-slow and had to get out of the way for the good of the team. Barcelona might be a better comparison.
Personally I thought Hamilton's move was unduly rude. From the outside it certainly appeared that his line was more about keeping Rosberg out than optimising his own position on-track. However, he mentioned understeer, and although that wasn't visually obvious he may have been letting the car run out rather than piling on more lock and scrubbing the tyres. And this was the first corner; everyone's feeling their way and mistakes will happen. An apology would have been good though. |
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13 Jun 2016, 16:04 (Ref:3649428) | #39 | ||
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the way LH was lined up/angled on the grid it was pretty clear his start strategy was aimed at cutting off Nico.
it was rude but was it wrong/breach of the rules? he positioned his team mate out. good marking in any other sport. one has to wonder why Nico has such a hard time understanding his team mates habits and motivations and why does he keep falling for the same tactics over and over again? outthought/outfought/outmaneuvered/outhustled...Nico being at a loss to figure out his team mate is a recurring trend. |
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Not commenting directly about yesterday's race as I haven't (and won't be) watched it, but one thing that must be taken into consideration.
Hamilton is only in it for himself, whilst Rosberg is a team player. Many, maybe most, of Hamilton's moves throughout his career have been of the "do or die" variety, unlike Rosberg who always tries to bring his car home in one piece and in the points. I could say more, but my comments may become rather personal. |
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[QUOTE=gert;3649200]I have to assume that Mercedes won't be pleased either. I suppose they are unbiassed towards their drivers, but one putting the other off should just not be accepted.
Mercedes will be delighted. Unlike German TV, they are 'unbiassed' towards German drivers. Lewis didn't take Rosberg out, he just taught him a little lesson. He then won. Thank you and goodnight. |
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the last driver who i would describe as 'not a team player' in such a situation was probably JV and that was 20 years ago. as you havent seen the race though, Nico made a mess at the end by trying to pass for all of 2 points and it nearly cost his team those valuable constructor points...the only reason he made the attempt was because those 2 points may help his driver title challenge down the road. i see your point and personal preference plays a part for sure but its not like NR isnt there to win world titles for himself. rather if he had a title or two under his belt, would he still carry the badge of being a team player? |
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It is certainly hard to be un-biased about Hamilton. He is either Saint or Sinner depending on individual judgement.
Very fast, totally committed, a winner. A spoilt and arrogant whinger when losing, and unbearable when winning. Vote now. |
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I often get the sense that a number of drivers, and this applies in all classes of motorsport, feel that they would sleep better in their beds by not being as ruthless as the Hamiltons of this world.
As the ideal of Olympian competition is to just take part, so it is possible that although the Rosbergs in motor racing enjoy participating and would be overjoyed to win races and possibly the WDC, the fact that they are amongst the lucky 20 or so is sometimes enough. |
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with the ever increasing amount of multi-generational sports families (watching the NBA finals this has been a constant topic of conversation) assessing the careers and motivations of 2nd generation sports stars is really a fascinating topic and worthy or greater study. superficial assessment but by comparison, Max seems to be made of far sterner stuff then his father relative to Nico and/or Palmer (although i dont know much about John) to their fathers'... Last edited by chillibowl; 13 Jun 2016 at 18:42. |
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If it had been the other way round, Hamilton would be having a major sulk.
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I generally like Hamilton. He's a good driver that puts up a fight. He's one of these modern drivers, though, conditioned to win from a slight age by the very commercial environment at McLaren. He finds himself in the big league and he has in the past struggled with the off-track stuff a little bit and this tedious gossip is promptly delivered to me as clickbait online. From that angle, he annoys me a teensy-weensy bit.
I limit my exposure to punditry and interviews generally. They are very generic. I prefer to read the snippets online later that day to wrap up the action. So my exposure to Hamilton and every other sportsman (and those gormless celebrities that visit these races) is limited. So irritating people don't get a chance to irritate me. |
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