Missing March Sprint and Hillclimb Cars of the 70s

Steve Wilkinson · 16 Mar 2005, 14:57 (Ref:1253441)

I need help in identifying the following MARCH cars:

a) 1975 to 1976 - Terry Smith - March 733 - Who owned it prior to Smith? Plus was this the car which then found its way to Geoff Hunt?

b) 1976 - David Franklin - March 742 - this car was upgraded to 772 spec in 1977. It then went to Alan Richards in 1978. Anyone know who owned or raced it prior to Frankers?

c) 1976 to 1977 - Martyn Griffiths - March 74B - this car was given the Pilbeam treatment. But where did it come from?

d) 1977 - Allan Humphries - March 772 - is this the right model type? Was it in fact a 722? Better still where did it come from?

e) 1978 to 1979 - Allan Humphries - March 762 - again where did this car come from?

f) 1978 to 1979 - Richard Lester - March 722/73B - whose car was this prior to Richard driving it?

g) 1978 to 1979 - Ted Williams - March 772/782 - a succession of cars led to this March, where did it come from?

h) 1976 to 1979 - Peter Fisk - March 702 - was this the ex-Martin Steele car?

i) FINALLY the following driver/car combinations appeared in 1979. Where did all these cars come from?
1. Ray Rowan - March 742
2. Ken Ayers - March 752/76B
3. Tony Westwood - March 772P
4 Terry Smith - March 761 (with 5.0 Repco V8)

Any and all help will be appreciated

allenbrown · 16 Mar 2005, 16:00 (Ref:1253487)

Isn't Humpries' 772 a one-off appearance in the record just before his 762? If so, I'm sure you can cross that out and write in 762.

He had two 762s (at least), one of which was used to rebuild his 761-GA after its accident.

Allen

Steve Wilkinson · 16 Mar 2005, 16:48 (Ref:1253514)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Isn't Humpries' 772 a one-off appearance in the record just before his 762? If so, I'm sure you can cross that out and write in 762.

Allen

Allen, the appearance in the 772 was in the middle of 1977, the year prior to his running the 762. I would think it highly unlikely that the car would actually be a 772 as it would be too new. The car was entered in the 1600 class so that plus the other questionable info at hand leads me to believe it was probably a 722. It may well have been the 762 but I would have thought it unlikely, after all why did he not turn out at other events in 1977 as the change of engine would have been a routine winter exercise.

More research required!

David McKinney · 16 Mar 2005, 19:51 (Ref:1253680)

a) Originally Mike Wilds in F3 and, yes, I believe the Geoff Hunt car
b) reportedly the works/Depailler spare. Norrie Galbraith after Richards
c) the ex-Cramer "Grunhalle Lager Special"
f) STP/Lauda, then various Irish owners. Or did Lester have more than one 722/73B?
g) Ricardo Zunino 1977

Steve Wilkinson · 16 Mar 2005, 22:32 (Ref:1253792)

Quote:

Originally Posted by David McKinney

c) the ex-Cramer "Grunhalle Lager Special"

David, can you confirm please?

The Martyn Griffiths 74B was the Grunhalle Lager Special? I thought this was a 722?

Thanks for the rest of the info.

Michael Oliver · 16 Mar 2005, 23:17 (Ref:1253839)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

David, can you confirm please?

The Martyn Griffiths 74B was the Grunhalle Lager Special? I thought this was a 722?

Thanks for the rest of the info.

Maybe you are getting confused with Sir Nick Williamson's car, which IIRC was a March 712M or S modified to take a DFV?

David McKinney · 17 Mar 2005, 06:06 (Ref:1253961)

I can't be 100% sure, as my notes were taken at the time, almost certainly from contemporay Autosport reports.
However, they describe Cramer's 1973 Grunhalle Lager Special sometimes as a '72/73B' and sometimes as a 733 (or were there two 1973 cars?)
But the 1974 car was apparently a new one, 74B-7, the car which later went to Griffiths.

Dan Rear · 17 Mar 2005, 09:15 (Ref:1254026)

I agree David, I think the Cramer 74 car was a real 74B, he kept it into 75, then got the 76A for 76. Griffiths had it for 76-77, don't know after.

Steve, the Westwood '772P' was NOT I'm sure a real 772P (unless it was de Dryver '778', which seems to have diasappeared after 1977). It could have been anything I guess, and may have been transformed into the '79B' he used in Atlantic in 1980. Or that may have been an ex Douglkas a& Gavin 782...

Re the Smith 761, wasn't that the ex-Jones/Magee/Edwards 75A-761 that had a GA, then a DFV in ???

Btw, anyone know what happened to the other 76A, ie the one raced in US F5000 in 1976 ??

Jeremy Jackson · 17 Mar 2005, 11:17 (Ref:1254172)

If it helps, I noted the chassis plate on Cramer's at Harewood in 1973 as 723-12, supposedly ex-Jarier.

Steve Wilkinson · 17 Mar 2005, 11:51 (Ref:1254203)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Oliver

Maybe you are getting confused with Sir Nick Williamson's car, which IIRC was a March 712M or S modified to take a DFV?

Nope!

Steve Wilkinson · 17 Mar 2005, 11:53 (Ref:1254206)

Quote:

Originally Posted by David McKinney

I can't be 100% sure, as my notes were taken at the time, almost certainly from contemporay Autosport reports.
However, they describe Cramer's 1973 Grunhalle Lager Special sometimes as a '72/73B' and sometimes as a 733 (or were there two 1973 cars?)
But the 1974 car was apparently a new one, 74B-7, the car which later went to Griffiths.

David, that's more like it. It was the SECOND Grunhalle (

) car that went to Martyn G.

Steve Wilkinson · 17 Mar 2005, 11:56 (Ref:1254208)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeremy Jackson

If it helps, I noted the chassis plate on Cramer's at Harewood in 1973 as 723-12, supposedly ex-Jarier.

Thanks Jeremy, another piece of valuable information to add to the growing database!

Chris Townsend · 17 Mar 2005, 18:00 (Ref:1254433)

The Cramer 74B is in the copied build record as "C.Cramer: White/Lightweight hillclimb special" Chassis 7.

723-12 then went to South East Asia for Percy Chan.

Williams' car 772 -6 if F1R to be believed on Zunino's driving it.

Lester's car 772-5 if ex Lauda [went via Robert Cooper to Diarmuid McFeeley and now in Australia]

Steve Wilkinson · 17 Mar 2005, 18:34 (Ref:1254453)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

The Cramer 74B is in the copied build record as "C.Cramer: White/Lightweight hillclimb special" Chassis 7.

723-12 then went to South East Asia for Percy Chan.

Williams' car 772 -6 if F1R to be believed on Zunino's driving it.

Lester's car 772-5 if ex Lauda [went via Robert Cooper to Diarmuid McFeeley and now in Australia]

Once again Chris comes up trumps!

Thanks.

David Beard · 17 Mar 2005, 22:07 (Ref:1254622)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Rear

Btw, anyone know what happened to the other 76A, ie the one raced in US F5000 in 1976 ??

Dan: was that the one with IRS?

allenbrown · 18 Mar 2005, 09:01 (Ref:1255024)

The other 76A became a Can-Am car around 1978/79 and has since vanished.

Allen

Steve Wilkinson · 18 Mar 2005, 10:08 (Ref:1255055)

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Beard

Dan: was that the one with IRS?

David, how cruel! Of course Dan knows such simple technical terminology!

Doesn't he?

Dan Rear · 21 Mar 2005, 08:40 (Ref:1257753)

Did the US owner owe the Taxman or summat...

Dan Rear · 27 Jul 2005, 10:31 (Ref:1364518)

Is the Humphries 762 still unidentified ?

Steve Wilkinson · 27 Jul 2005, 13:17 (Ref:1364664)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Rear

Is the Humphries 762 still unidentified ?

YES

allenbrown · 28 Jul 2006, 06:23 (Ref:1666422)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

I need help in identifying the following MARCH cars:

a) 1975 to 1976 - Terry Smith - March 733 - Who owned it prior to Smith? Plus was this the car which then found its way to Geoff Hunt?

Quote:

Originally Posted by David McKinney

a) Originally Mike Wilds in F3 and, yes, I believe the Geoff Hunt car

Autosport describe it as "his recently-acquired ex-Graham Watts March 733" (18 Sep 1975 p51) on the occasion of Smith's first drive in the car.

Allen

Steve Wilkinson · 31 Jul 2006, 19:32 (Ref:1669220)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Autosport describe it as "his recently-acquired ex-Graham Watts March 733" (18 Sep 1975 p51) on the occasion of Smith's first drive in the car.

Allen

The chassis is 733-26 - info from Geoff Hunt who still owns the car.

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