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Old 15 Oct 2017, 14:07 (Ref:3774325)   #91
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Sounds like pay to win? The opposite of the entire strategy of cost reduction?

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(Edit, post bumped over to next page. I was responding to previous post)
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 14:38 (Ref:3774326)   #92
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Sounds like pay to win? The opposite of the entire strategy of cost reduction?
That depends on how you formulate the rules I suppose. If you choose the right height of the fine and/or the right ratio between the part the customer and the supplier pay and force the supplier to make them available for customers than building fast but unreliable components would become very expensive indeed for the supplier.
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Old 20 Oct 2017, 09:07 (Ref:3775170)   #93
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Hartley makes his F1 debut with a 30 place grid penalty before he even sits in the car.
F1 rules written by Monty Python.
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Old 20 Oct 2017, 09:08 (Ref:3775171)   #94
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Hartley makes his F1 debut with a 30 place grid penalty before he even sits in the car.
F1 rules written by Monty Python.
Fresh engine should mean its reliable at least...
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Old 20 Oct 2017, 09:23 (Ref:3775175)   #95
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I was hoping he would start on pole and win from there.....too optimistic?.
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Old 20 Oct 2017, 12:44 (Ref:3775212)   #96
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I was hoping he would start on pole and win from there.....too optimistic?.
Reverse grid starts approved for F1?? When did this happen!?




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Old 22 Oct 2017, 20:52 (Ref:3775669)   #97
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And in the latest on stupid penalties, Stroll qualified 17th, gets a 3 place grid penalty for impeding Grosjean but starts 16th thanks to engine penaties elsewhere

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/s...&r=159709&em=1
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Old 22 Oct 2017, 20:55 (Ref:3775672)   #98
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Engine penalties should be applied before actual penalties.
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All Renault powered back of the grid at the next GP.
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Old 30 Oct 2017, 12:45 (Ref:3777478)   #100
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All Renault powered back of the grid at the next GP.
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Old 30 Oct 2017, 15:39 (Ref:3777522)   #101
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One of the things that deluded me about these penalties, is that Schumi was deprived of what could be his last ever victory. Had he started from pole in 2012 Monaco GP... Words are not enough.
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One of the things that deluded me about these penalties, is that Schumi was deprived of what could be his last ever victory. Had he started from pole in 2012 Monaco GP... Words are not enough.
You seem to forget his car broke down during the race, making the penalty irrelevant
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There seem to be a lot of people suggesting loss of constructor points instead of grid penalties. But how will it look when McLaren finish the season on -200 points, beaten by some other team that has only -50?
Works perfectly well on QI.

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And in the latest on stupid penalties, Stroll qualified 17th, gets a 3 place grid penalty for impeding Grosjean but starts 16th thanks to engine penaties elsewhere
I believe in the next race Alonso will be starting in Spa 2008. With the curious twist that as he's in a 2017 car he could well now win the World Championship for that year meaning that by the end of the season Lewis will be back on 3 titles.

Well, it's only marginally dafter than what's actually happening.
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Old 1 Nov 2017, 19:35 (Ref:3778038)   #104
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There's a piece on Pitpass where they've added up the grid penalties for 2017 so far and for power unit related penalties (not driver infringements) the totals are...

Mercedes power units - 25 places (3 teams)
Ferrari power units - 60 places (3 teams)
Renault power units - 290 places (3 teams)
Honda power units - 390 places (1 team!)

For comparison, there's only 400 grid places over the whole 2017 championship.
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Old 1 Nov 2017, 20:00 (Ref:3778044)   #105
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To be honest, I don't get what the fuss is about. Other than... the media blows it up with the fans. It's just a number. No matter how many penalties you get you can go no farther back than... the back of the grid.

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