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Old 28 Sep 2017, 16:45 (Ref:3770309)   #1
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Has a driver ever won the WDC in a car that wasn't the best

I was having a conversation a long time ago with someone about Jacques Villeneuve where I was arguing that Indycar could produce F1 WDC winning drivers and the response was something like "of course he won the WDC, the Williams was the best car."

It is not until now though that the question came to me: Has a driver ever won a WDC in a car that wasn't the best car?
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 17:35 (Ref:3770313)   #2
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 17:55 (Ref:3770316)   #3
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 17:57 (Ref:3770317)   #4
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 17:58 (Ref:3770318)   #5
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Would it be accurate to add Senna in 91 assuming the Williams FW14 was better?
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 19:23 (Ref:3770338)   #6
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I guess it depends on what your definition of "the best" is.

There have been some very fast cars out there which didn't have reliability on their side, leading to slower, less groundbreaking, less radical but with better reliability, winning races and championships.
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I guess you could say any driver who won the driver's title while the team did not win constructor's title?

Course that could also be a great driver and a terrible teammate.

Or a car built to one driver's style and the other couldn't adapt.

Or the second and third place drivers were better than the second driver in the 'best' car.
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Old 29 Sep 2017, 10:58 (Ref:3770508)   #11
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would you say that 2010 Kimi should be included? an impressive string of consecutive wins/podium to close out the season. arguably the Mclaren was the better car but their drivers were too busy taking points off one another.

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...and to an extent Button in 09
agreed. the Brawn was the best out of the gate and while they enjoyed tremendous success early, as the season wore on their smaller budget came into play and by the second half of the season the RB was the better car...and the better car for the next couple of seasons.

i imagine more years could be included if development over the season/development cycles are taken into consideration. Mika's 99 title (similar to RB in 2009). by mid season the Ferrari became more reliable and its run of dominance had begun.

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Old 30 Sep 2017, 09:23 (Ref:3770689)   #14
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