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Old 11 Aug 2017, 23:58 (Ref:3758924)   #176
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How is that at all relevant to an expansion of the TCM eligibility criteria?
Isnt eligibility related to age? Typically they introduce cars that are 40 years old. Which is why the XD is not currently available.
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Old 12 Aug 2017, 01:21 (Ref:3758930)   #177
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the point being you cant just race a 1982 model bluebird, you have to race a a 1980 model bluebird, same with the RX7 and thus those cars were not as developed as the later versions
In-period development doesn't mean squat. TCM aren't historics, they are old-bodied Sports Sedans.
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Old 12 Aug 2017, 01:54 (Ref:3758932)   #178
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In-period development doesn't mean squat. TCM aren't historics, they are old-bodied Sports Sedans.
im not sure that's correct, otherwise we would have had v8 minis out there,
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Old 12 Aug 2017, 02:04 (Ref:3758935)   #179
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im not sure that's correct, otherwise we would have had v8 minis out there,
Spot on Bludvl - TCM cars are log booked as sports sedans.

Pecky, they have some restrictions so it is not a free-for-all but the cars are definitely sports sedans rather than historic cars.

As a result, IF XD, RX7, Bluebird etc ran in TCM, the detail on how they are built and what can be done would be different from back in the day touring car racing.
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Old 12 Aug 2017, 06:36 (Ref:3758947)   #180
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No plush interiors or alloy cages (thank God!), as per Group C.

I kinda like the idea of TCM opening the eligibility list up over time, but I think they need to draw the line somewhere.
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Old 12 Aug 2017, 16:39 (Ref:3759001)   #181
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im not sure that's correct, otherwise we would have had v8 minis out there,
We are already halfway there, with Chevrolet-engined Torana's and Chrysler-engined Javelin's already in the field...

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Do we really want the big wings and expensive turbo engines that were unreliable in the day with millions of dollars of factory money and parts support, let alone now...
Probably not....but do we want a grid dominated by XD Falcon's and VB/VC Commodore's only, which would likely be the alternative in a few years given the current rate of development

It seems like Steve Johnson in "Mustang Sally" is only just hanging on to the latest Torana's as is

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Old 28 Aug 2017, 09:31 (Ref:3762268)   #182
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Front page of the current AA shows that TCM have approved 3 licenses for XD Falcon 351ci V8s for the 2018 series and beyond.

1 licence is with Mr Johnson, the other 2 are with Mr Zukanovic, presumably for onsale.

With the field limited to 3 XD's, at least they won't saturate the field
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Old 28 Aug 2017, 09:42 (Ref:3762270)   #183
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Has Mr Zukanovic sold his FG yet?
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Old 28 Aug 2017, 11:02 (Ref:3762297)   #184
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Has Mr Zukanovic sold his FG yet?
Ute or Super2? Both have run this year with Mr Zukanovic at the wheel.
Probably still has the Mustang too...
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Old 29 Aug 2017, 10:27 (Ref:3762572)   #185
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I wonder why they are just capping the XD's, but haven't capped the likes of the A9X Torana's?
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I wonder why they are just capping the XD's, but haven't capped the likes of the A9X Torana's?
Good question. The original idea of the class had a licence attached to a car or car model, and they were restricted to the number of each model could run.

There were a load of Mustangs, then Camaros, now Toranas, but restricted Fords.

Wonder if Mr O'Brien still has the build of an XC Coupe in mind for Mr Bowe now an XD is eligible?
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Old 18 Sep 2017, 04:44 (Ref:3768154)   #187
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What ever happened to the Chev Monza that Greg Ritter won two races with in Adelaide last year?

It seemed a natural for TCM victory.
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Old 22 Sep 2017, 05:14 (Ref:3769211)   #188
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What ever happened to the Chev Monza that Greg Ritter won two races with in Adelaide last year?

It seemed a natural for TCM victory.
Not one response. I thought someone here would know.
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Old 22 Sep 2017, 11:00 (Ref:3769243)   #189
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Not one response. I thought someone here would know.
The Monza belongs to Tony Hunter, one of the people behind the series. He also has a HQ which has been run from time to time with various drivers, including himself. No idea why he's not running it at the moment - maybe he's happy to see other entrants winning...
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Why would Bowie's Torana be running a Chev V8 as referenced by the commentators? Is it that hard or expensive to build a Holden? Perhaps we could run Chev V8s in the Mustangs as well to save money too.
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Why would Bowie's Torana be running a Chev V8 as referenced by the commentators? Is it that hard or expensive to build a Holden? Perhaps we could run Chev V8s in the Mustangs as well to save money too.
It has always run a Chevrolet... and was homologated for the class that way well before Mr Bowe plonked himself in one...
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It has always run a Chevrolet... and was homologated for the class that way well before Mr Bowe plonked himself in one...
I don't understand why... Surely the point of a Holden car, is a Holden V8 in the front?

Is the temptation of the generous selection of go-fast bits in the USA parts catalogue too good to pass up?
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Old 8 Oct 2017, 08:18 (Ref:3772930)   #193
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Holdens haven't had Holden V8s since about 2000, but I get where you're coming from (especially in the context of the Torana which did have a Holden V8).
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Jim's Javelin runs with a Chrysler motor too, this bridge has been crossed before in TCM

The cars are Sports Sedans , not representative of what was sold... I'm guessing the organisers think the 'fans' are only interested in the body styles?
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Holdens haven't had Holden V8s since about 2000, but I get where you're coming from (especially in the context of the Torana which did have a Holden V8).
In V8Supercars even longer, but we are dealing with oldies here.

I know about the Javelin and have commented about that in the past. Never mind that Chrysler only bought AMC about 15 years after Jim's Javelin was built.

At this rate why not let everyone use LS's or secondhand NASCAR engines...
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Considering some of the budgets these guys are running would put you in a decent seat in Super2, perhaps cost-containment measures won't be too far away?
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Couldn't agree more. Its a case of the haves and have nots in that series these days.
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Definitely agree the $$$ are at a pretty scary level. Especially when they go chasing mega horsepower then have rpm limits imposed/lowered or ballast added because of the extra development. There must be smart people around who can come up with an effective way of disincentivising huge spending, although the variety of vehicles makes it difficult. Perhaps just increase the size of the lead trophies?
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Definitely agree the $$$ are at a pretty scary level. Especially when they go chasing mega horsepower then have rpm limits imposed/lowered or ballast added because of the extra development. There must be smart people around who can come up with an effective way of disincentivising huge spending, although the variety of vehicles makes it difficult. Perhaps just increase the size of the lead trophies?
$1 dollar engine rule.
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Considering some of the budgets these guys are running would put you in a decent seat in Super2, perhaps cost-containment measures won't be too far away?
They are mostly gentleman drivers who are not interested in battling the youngsters in Super2. Either let them spend up big "Jobs and growth in the engine building sector", or they will go and play in the Australian GT series instead surely?

Is it really true that an ace driver can't be competitive with an older, basic Mustang or Monaro? Having not seen aces take the wheel of such things, isn't it premature to say that the big budgets can't be overcome with good driving?
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