Danica has lost the plot! - Page 4

Davhut · 8 Jun 2007, 04:37 (Ref:1931886)

It's a damn shame Divina, Desiré, Lella and others haven't had the cause to create such a maelstrom. Danica is running and leading at the sharp end of the field and anyone who was at Indy could see she had "cajones," even though she doesn't, of course.

runshaw · 8 Jun 2007, 12:00 (Ref:1932213)

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Originally Posted by indycool

Schumacher ran off in his Ferrari for "X" years without much competition and never tried anything else. Maybe he got too rich, maybe his deal was too good, maybe he was a wuss for other stuff, I don't know. But just because Schumacher puts oval racing down doesn't make it so. Many NASCAR, IRL, "500" fans plus fans at any of the 800 U.S. short tracks would disagree.

I take your point, I wasn't putting down oval racing, I was saying it just isn't half the challenge as racing an F1 car on a circuit (I haven't done either, but i'm going on what Indy and F1 drivers have said previously!). Sam Hornish Jr once said he didn't know whether he could race in F1 simply because he didn't know whether he would be good enough. I'm not going to argue with that. Each to their own.

deeks6 · 8 Jun 2007, 14:08 (Ref:1932313)

Who gives a rats if she throws all of her her 45kg around ... it shows that she has some ballz ... she's a pretty good racer IMO AND she's still a babe too!

Hazard · 8 Jun 2007, 14:49 (Ref:1932361)

Thread is now way off topic. Bring it back or it'll need to be closed

GoFaster · 9 Jun 2007, 07:43 (Ref:1932954)

In my opinion,the blame game continues with this clown named Danica.My guess is AGR hired her for marketing and she's doing it well.She didn't even win the series she graduated from.I feel she's involved with deeper thinkers than she is and doesn't understand the role she was hired for. Just my opinion.

indycool · 9 Jun 2007, 09:33 (Ref:1933007)

Sixth in the lineup at Texas.....

Rick Mears fan · 9 Jun 2007, 10:48 (Ref:1933048)

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Originally Posted by indycool

Sixth in the lineup at Texas.....

With her huge weight advantage over a single lap.

Rick Mears fan · 9 Jun 2007, 10:49 (Ref:1933049)

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Originally Posted by GoFaster

In my opinion,the blame game continues with this clown named Danica.My guess is AGR hired her for marketing and she's doing it well.She didn't even win the series she graduated from.I feel she's involved with deeper thinkers than she is and doesn't understand the role she was hired for. Just my opinion.

AGR is a championship winning team are back to winning often, they did not hire her to win races but for sponsorship and marketing and that is successful so far.

AND I must add its hilarious Indycool trying to talk down Michael Schumacher's achievments because he didn't turn left flat out on the ovals.

Ovals are challenging, especially the shorter ovals and require quite a lot of skill but the ones like Chicagoland, Kansas etc that are not that fast and long and easily flat out for the whole race just steering it left not even a gear change flat to the floor I am sorry but that is not as challenging.

JohnSSC · 9 Jun 2007, 10:55 (Ref:1933053)

Oh please. Here we go again with the weight advantage.

Michael Andretti managed to win a race or two in similarly sized cars while he weighed in at close to 200 lbs. The driver in a spec series is still important, probably more important than in say F1. Whatever advantage she is gaining is small in the overall scheme, inmho.

Look up and down the grid and you will find some fair few who do not weigh much more than Danica...

But there you go. DaMatta is a terrific driver, or so everyone said. No one mentioned he weighs about 125. Of course, he is a guy and therefore...oh never mind!

Rick Mears fan · 9 Jun 2007, 11:01 (Ref:1933056)

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Originally Posted by JohnSSC

Oh please. Here we go again with the weight advantage.

Michael Andretti managed to win a race or two in similarly sized cars while he weighed in at close to 200 lbs. The driver in a spec series is still important, probably more important than in say F1. Whatever advantage she is gaining is small in the overall scheme, inmho.

Look up and down the grid and you will find some fair few who do not weigh much more than Danica...

But there you go. DaMatta is a terrific driver, or so everyone said. No one mentioned he weighs about 125. Of course, he is a guy and therefore...oh never mind!

We never said Da Matta didn't have an advantage so don't say we didn't. Spin eh?

Why did Danica do so well in years past at R-L in qualifying? The poles and high positions. Over a single lap a lot of less weight is a huge advantage. Then in the race she tended to slip back from her high qualifying right back down the order.

IF the league had a fixed weight for driver and car which should be the case so everything is equal and not just car weight, and not include driver weight when you weigh half the size of other drivers that is a huge advantage in terms of speed. If you can't see that then well...And as I said stop trying to make out we're sexist, like I said we never said da Matta didn't have a similar advantage back in CART.

indycool · 9 Jun 2007, 11:07 (Ref:1933060)

Don't recall anyone talking about weight advantage when Gordon Johncock and Howdy Holmes were hilariously arguing about who was taller. And it sure didn't help Jimmy Kite make the show at Indy.

Oh, Holmes used to claim he DID have an advantage in being small. He used to say, "Being shorter, it takes less time for the impulses to go from my brain to my foot."

Not belittling Schumacher's achievements. He beat the best there was during his time in Formula One road racing. Comparing his road racing skills with oval skills, or drag racing skills, or sprint car skills or motorcycle racing skills is apples and oranges.

I have always found it unnecessarily elitist when road racing people talk about their form of the sport being better than everybody else's. People who follow other forms of the sport don't seem to do this and I've never understood why road racing people do it. Preferences are preferences and it should be left there.

JohnSSC · 9 Jun 2007, 22:00 (Ref:1933516)

Not spin at all and to be honest, I don't ever recall anyone saying Shorty had an unfair advantage because he weighed 120 lbs soaking wet.

To be fair, think of the power-to-weight ratio. With about 700 HP or so on tap, 20 - 60 fewer pounds of sprung weight ain't gonna make a discernable difference. If that argument were really true, than Sam Hornish (who weighs 160) should have difficulty beating Helio, who goes about 140. Marco (about 135) should always beat Kanaan and Franchitti might as well stay home.

I had forgotten how short Howdy Holmes is - I know Gordo is not tall. In fact in his prime, neither AJ nor Mario were all that big either...

indycool · 9 Jun 2007, 23:00 (Ref:1933556)

And this team didn't prepare its car just a tudge better or an engine in that car produced three more horsepower or somebody gained by doing a better power-to-weight ratio, or a number of other things besides the weight of the driver, not to mention the talent of the driver, the luck of the driver, the correct judgment of the driver, the speed of the pit crew, etc.

Sure, it's all about weight of the driver. Sure.

Racer 35 · 11 Jun 2007, 11:42 (Ref:1933875)

In reply to the original question of this thread, if Danica had lost the plot, then she seemed to find it again in Texas. I'm not exactly a Danica fan, and I'm sure she's in AGR partly because of marketing, but yesterday she was very good indeed; a fast, focused, mature drive. Go girl!

Mystery · 11 Jun 2007, 11:57 (Ref:1933896)

A very nice drive from Danica I thought. Possibly her most mature one yet - blowing that Andretti kid into the weeds in particular. Nice work

(Still hate her attitude though)

Rick Mears fan · 11 Jun 2007, 12:55 (Ref:1933971)

Yes she did drive well, she also did drive well at Indy. Very well, but I can't stand her as a person with her attitude.

Leighton Irwin · 11 Jun 2007, 13:48 (Ref:1934019)

She drove well but her 3rd place was a result of the accident, but that is racing. Right place, right time. Her attitude seems to get worse every year. Maybe if she wins a race she will mellow out. I doubt it though.

indycool · 11 Jun 2007, 14:06 (Ref:1934041)

The accident took out some of the competition, but I don't think you can say that the third place was entirely the result of that. She passed people up to second, fell back, then came forward slowly again before the accident happened. Then she caught the leaders at the end.

Neil22 · 11 Jun 2007, 16:50 (Ref:1934171)

Attitude is what makes a winning driver. Danica had a fast car at the end and if TK was with another team she might of had second instead of third.

Leighton Irwin · 11 Jun 2007, 17:12 (Ref:1934194)

You are right indycool. She could easily have ended up third without the accident but it did pretty well ensure the place. There is no question she is pretty good. It is her petulance, or preceived petulance, that turns off many people. Wheldon ain't no sweetheart either. (My old English teacher would have a heart attack.)

Slippy Diff · 12 Jun 2007, 03:29 (Ref:1934612)

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Originally Posted by rcarr

I almost took out a fellow (female) competitor, a good number of times

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Originally Posted by rcarr

when it comes to driving/racing, I know I am good. I am clean

Hee hee, left the door open in more ways than one

Mystery · 12 Jun 2007, 11:30 (Ref:1934940)

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Originally Posted by Leighton Irwin

You are right indycool. She could easily have ended up third without the accident but it did pretty well ensure the place. There is no question she is pretty good. It is her petulance, or preceived petulance, that turns off many people. Wheldon ain't no sweetheart either. (My old English teacher would have a heart attack.)

I think Wheldon's tried to learn from his mistakes though whilst Danica seems to be getting worse. Dan has spouted off when angry about his team in the past (possibly his old team) and looked a bit silly because of it and he seems to have cut that back a bit. Danica probably brings out the worst in him though.

Tenoch · 12 Jun 2007, 20:27 (Ref:1935419)

i just read her interview in this month's Playboy and she sounds so arrogant there. She talks about how she had to leave British Formula Ford because she wasn't treated well enough and the best equipment wasn't given to her. Blah Blah she complains about everything and wants it handed to her on a silver platter.

indycool · 12 Jun 2007, 20:40 (Ref:1935433)

Seems like a guy named Michael Andretti had the same experience in F1 and he returned here to race pretty well.

Tenoch · 12 Jun 2007, 22:08 (Ref:1935512)

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Originally Posted by indycool

Seems like a guy named Michael Andretti had the same experience in F1 and he returned here to race pretty well.

That Guy left As a Champion of CART, and went to F1 the pinnacle of motor sports. She went from a go-kart championship to a feeder series. Not the same unless your comparing the amount of whining they both do.

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