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27 Apr 2008, 17:37 (Ref:2188407) | #1 | ||
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Race stoppages - are they all necessary? (plus a bit of CSCC, Brands Hatch)
Another great weekend's racing run by the CSCC team - thanks Richards Culverhouse and Wos plus all the backroom boys and girls for a great event with a really eclectic mixture of races. The Swinging Sixties that I was happy to be a part of fielded a fantastic mixture of cars from Yank tanks to Brit tiddlers - and who'd have thought a Spitfire would get pole - well done Jon Thomason! Full grids and full fat excitement, roll on Mallory Park.
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27 Apr 2008, 17:48 (Ref:2188411) | #2 | ||
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It's a shame the Thoroughbreds got tucked up with the race stoppage when other races used the pace car for similar incidents but then again I suppose that's the price you pay when you are supporting the organisers own series'.
BTW, nice to meet you today Dave. |
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27 Apr 2008, 18:25 (Ref:2188442) | #3 | |
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How'd you get on Dave?
with hindsight I should have entered............would have been cheaper than staying at home.......a car rolled down our road and into my tow vehicle!! |
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27 Apr 2008, 20:38 (Ref:2188557) | #4 | ||
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Hi Wayne,
We qualified 19th out of 38, finished 10th and got class win and class fastest lap - sorry to hear about the wayward car! Hi Tim, Yes it was a pleasure to put a face to an avatar! Unlucky with the red flags, I guess there's always a timetable to keep to. |
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27 Apr 2008, 21:10 (Ref:2188598) | #5 | |
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Good stuff, 2 out of 2 class wins.
See you at Mallory |
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28 Apr 2008, 07:46 (Ref:2188890) | #6 | |||
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Mega RACE though Last edited by John Turner; 28 Apr 2008 at 08:21. |
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28 Apr 2008, 07:52 (Ref:2188892) | #7 | ||
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One of the very reasons I dont bother with sprint races these days.!
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28 Apr 2008, 08:20 (Ref:2188922) | #8 | |||
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Plus if some (you main opposition) is going away - if will be even more frustrating to see them totally disappear. Results - http://www.tsl-timing.com/?loc=club&...&eventid=81764 Restart and I might at least have been able to take it to the leader. Pity my camera battery crapped out - would have been an absolute corker. |
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28 Apr 2008, 08:55 (Ref:2188951) | #9 | ||
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one reason why I don't do sprints, some people take aggression in the wrong context . . . . you didn'r get the class win at the top of PAddock Hill bend on the first lap did you . . .
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28 Apr 2008, 12:04 (Ref:2189098) | #10 | |||
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I was in the pits while the throughbreds were racing so have no-idea what the incident was but decisions on race stoppages aren't made by the orgainsing club. |
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28 Apr 2008, 12:18 (Ref:2189115) | #11 | |||
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The people making the decision stiffed us not the organising club. We sat on the grid for 5 minutes. When they could have either had that car out of there by then and restarted it. Or just left it they in the first place (the car was a MG high up the Hill Paddock just at the top of the gravel trap) and put som yellows out. No bloody need to stop it. Club racers are constantly getting stiffed JUST past half way in meetings. I went off a few years back at Donnington (hold my hand up), at the first corner at Donnington on about lap 4 or something way before half distance but the kept it running a few more laps with my car in th gravel, UNTIL just past half the number of required laps and then through teh red flags and then obviously did not restart it. If that is not shafting people out of our hard earn money I do not know what is. They were just to dame lazy to stop it early and drag me out and restart it a few laps shorter. It is endemic in UK Club Motorsport now. |
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28 Apr 2008, 13:15 (Ref:2189180) | #12 | ||
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I thought the Safety Car decision was the CoC's,it is one reason why he/she is present.
I think that the answer to this is in the feact that Circuit Hire is so high that the organising Club still has the rest of the days program to consider,five minuits delay on say,three races and you can kiss one sprint race goodbye!! Last edited by terence; 28 Apr 2008 at 13:18. |
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28 Apr 2008, 13:23 (Ref:2189188) | #13 | |||
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28 Apr 2008, 21:31 (Ref:2189626) | #14 | |||
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28 Apr 2008, 22:18 (Ref:2189660) | #15 | |||
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In the same way that drivers depend on the volunteers to have their fun, the volunteers, who I presume do it because they like doing it (and thank god they do), depend on the drivers to fund the sport and turn up in with their cars. |
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28 Apr 2008, 13:52 (Ref:2189204) | #16 | |
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Safety car decisions and red flag decisions are made by the tower - marshals can request, but final decision is with the CoC.
This information should be in your rule book. Along with details of how to lodge a complaint if you are unhappy with a decision. Unless something has changed, I don't believe ranting on Tenths is part of the process. |
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28 Apr 2008, 14:03 (Ref:2189220) | #17 | |||
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Next to no one will ever bother to lodge an appeal at a clubbie race meeting (because it it generally pointless). If it had happened to you, you would be a tad cheesed off. It was a Fantastic race, and was shaping up to be an absolute cliff hanger with the 2 or 3 Mogs just about catching us in 2nd and 3rd but so very little in there times as to have been able to breeze past. Also I now have found ou the spinner had done the same thing a few laps earlier in the same place! Do you actually Race? |
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28 Apr 2008, 14:24 (Ref:2189232) | #18 | |||
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As for a safety car I admit it wasn't in our regs so that was a pointless statement on my part but when you pay all that money and don't get reasonable value then I feel a rant is not out of order. |
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28 Apr 2008, 14:41 (Ref:2189246) | #19 | ||
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You also need to have a clear view of who is responsible for decisions that are made instead of just announcing everyone is lazy and/or out to deliberately cheat you. I agree that if someone has had their race cut unnecessarily short or cancelled - for whatever reason - then they're entitled to be unhappy about that. Racing costs too much to find that you've lost out for no good reason. But you don't have to lodge an appeal to ask the CoC why the decision was made - you just have to ask nicely. Shouting and stamping and accusing people of laziness and generalised incompetence is not going to achieve anything but getting people's backs up. Maybe it was a bad call - maybe not. I wasn't there, so I don't know. But if I did want to know, I'd ask the person who made the call what the basis for their decision was. If I wasn't satisfied with the answer, then I'd potentially be having a gripe about it. Case in point - a shortened race at Kirkistown was raised in one of the other forums a while back. I said the same thing then. I know that someone did approach the CoC who took the comments on board and as a result, those affected received a free entry to the next race at that circuit. Had it been left that all people did was gripe here, that wouldn't have happened. |
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28 Apr 2008, 14:14 (Ref:2189224) | #20 | ||
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Jon, EP is a marshal, and also one of the owners/administrators of this site which we so much enjoy!
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28 Apr 2008, 14:16 (Ref:2189226) | #21 | ||
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he knows that - you only have to read what he wrote elsewhere
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28 Apr 2008, 14:18 (Ref:2189228) | #22 | |
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Well looked like a rant to me.
As for actually racing, no. I'm one of those lazy people who doesn't bother dragging your car out of a gravel trap and I arrived in this thread as a result of people complaining about your post. |
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28 Apr 2008, 15:09 (Ref:2189265) | #23 | |||
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Oh stuff it I will.... How can anyone Complain about a general discussion like this. Discussion is the whole point of Discussion forums. It seems to me that no one can moan on ANY level on this forum about anything about the Officialdom of a race meeting (as if they can do no wrong)! I do like alot of things about 10/10ths but this is the petty side of it that really puts people off, you just CANNOT have a lively debate on here. Honestly, unless you are the one's spending huge amounts in travel costs, race prep, fuel, entry fees and general maintence of the cars then you do not know where ANY of the competitors on here are coming from. And to have this view that anything anti the general running of a meeting is Verbotten is frankly Dictatorial. Alot of this ever increasing stopping of meeting and never restarting them is due (IMHO) to the ever more number of event being squeezed into the average days racing - 18 races crammed into this 2 day meet - so you can see why they er on the not restarting side! Complaining about dodgy race stoppages is generally done through the respective race organisers secretary not individually. We had one of these last year I think and did get some redress for a rubbish decision - they sent us all 50 quid (which was OK as the field was HUGE), but we would have all rather have not had it and had a restart after all the expense, time and money in getting to the meeting from all over the UK (and sometime further a field). Anyway let get off the Red flag thing - the Thoroughbreds was a Great Race till the chap binned it / "reversed in the Gravel". Mike H did say he almost pooped his pants when he as the race leader, dropped down paddock with the MG spinning and not totally sure which way to go!! |
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