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Old 8 May 2017, 21:47 (Ref:3732336)   #2281
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didnt want to start a new thread for this but motorsports.com has a article about the breakdown of the 2016 prize money.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/r...r-2017-903197/

obviously Ferrari made the most despite their 3rd place finish and while not discounting their importance to the series as a whole, this meant they made $108 million more than Force India who came in at 4th place last year.

i also dont like how Williams does not qualify for the Championship Constructors Bonus (CCB)....i guess its their fault for not being better at negotiating though.

no doubt their are numerous reasons for all of this... so here is to hoping the next round of negotiations lead to a more equal and even playing field!
I have mentioned this in the F1 finance thread, One should also note that Renault were constructors champions on 2 occasions (05 & 06)since McLaren last won one and don't have CCB bonus.
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Old 11 May 2017, 12:04 (Ref:3732792)   #2282
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I have so far agreed with Ross Brawn's idea's for improving the show of F1. But I do not agree with this. Not one bit of it.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/a...ier-f1-903516/
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Old 11 May 2017, 18:03 (Ref:3732870)   #2283
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i question how much the small teams would benefit from this. even if they got to inspect what the top teams have produced how much money would it cost them to replicate it?

for teams with the resources it could shorten the development time and reduce the amount of time any one team has an advantage so maybe no more of multiple seasons in a row where one team dominates.

immediate benefit could be some of the more esoteric tricks would be found out earlier and either adopted by all the teams or outlawed outright.

if this is to be done in public, it would be cool to see more of the cars.

can see both pro and cons of this suggestion.

does it actually serve its purpose in Nascar?
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Old 11 May 2017, 22:23 (Ref:3732889)   #2284
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My first thought is F1 cars are moving aero devices, there would be there is no point looking at something without seeing the CFD or wind tunnel data that goes with it.

The second thought is that NASCARs are pretty much built to a Spec with different body shells and engines. Seeing that pole has set their front camber 1/2 a degree more than second and third did in qualifying is immediately transferable.
F1 cars are Twin prototypes, they are built to regulations with each pair having been born from a design concept that runs through the cars.

Making a carbon copy of Ferrari's front wing and putting it on say a Sauber, won't work, because the overall design of the Sauber of the Sauber, is conceptually different.

I can also see it raise costs as well, as lesser teams will try to make possibly lots of variations of the top teams wings, floors or body parts to force radical changes to their cars in effect making a b-spec car, rather than continuing to evolve their own design concept.

Having said all that teams being a little less secretive about what's under the skins of the cars wouldn't go a miss. Stopping the nonsense of mechanics standing blocking the World feed cameras should be one of the first and easiest ways of allowing fans/TV viewers more access into what's happening in the garage.

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Old 12 May 2017, 08:11 (Ref:3732931)   #2285
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I have so far agreed with Ross Brawn's idea's for improving the show of F1. But I do not agree with this. Not one bit of it.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/a...ier-f1-903516/
I really like the idea of public scrutineering, it would be fascinating to see a well edited video of the process.

They really need to make sure that the engines are all run in the same specification. How on earth can a customer teams fully tune engines to works specs. The FIA has to force the works teams to make all their engines the same specification, you just plain don't run an update until you can produce all the engines to the same specification as the new works update, this will close the grid up better than any other regulation that could be introduced. The maximum price of the engine supply must also be fixed.
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Old 12 May 2017, 09:22 (Ref:3732958)   #2286
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I really like the idea of public scrutineering, it would be fascinating to see a well edited video of the process.

They really need to make sure that the engines are all run in the same specification. How on earth can a customer teams fully tune engines to works specs. The FIA has to force the works teams to make all their engines the same specification, you just plain don't run an update until you can produce all the engines to the same specification as the new works update, this will close the grid up better than any other regulation that could be introduced. The maximum price of the engine supply must also be fixed.
If you want to ensure equal engines from a supplier to my mind the best way is to have a batch of engines sitting in their crates for all to see and draw lots as to who gets which one. That way a manufacturer cannot give different spec engines to different teams intentionally.
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Old 13 May 2017, 00:32 (Ref:3733098)   #2287
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If you want to ensure equal engines from a supplier to my mind the best way is to have a batch of engines sitting in their crates for all to see and draw lots as to who gets which one. That way a manufacturer cannot give different spec engines to different teams intentionally.
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Why introduce a rule to solve something that isn't really an issue anyway?
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Old 13 May 2017, 01:58 (Ref:3733106)   #2289
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I don't care about the grid spread. It's not a problem for me. I think the sport, though, is a little embarrassed at Honda and Renault's ongoing lack of pace, they don't want to lose those two bigees so they're placing themselves under pressure and toying with these schemes.

I'm agnostic on open scrutineering. Yeah, maybe at half season or one third season, open up all the cars for inspection. I dunno. It's just not a problem for me.
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Old 13 May 2017, 02:10 (Ref:3733107)   #2290
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Why introduce a rule to solve something that isn't really an issue anyway?
So Adam, you don't believe that a more competitive field would be good for the sport?
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Old 13 May 2017, 06:15 (Ref:3733126)   #2291
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Shall I respond with another remark with the same purpose? Like, so wnut, would you prefer every just has a spec. engine and car? I know that's not really what you are getting at, so why would I? I'd be more interested in sensible discussion that actually moves on from continual inaccurate remarks about suppliers being unfair.

I presume you did get my meaning. My point was that there is no real issue with teams getting different spec. engines and hasn't been for years. Especially from Mercedes who you appear to have a problem with. It's not even on the radar of things that could actually make a difference and improve F1.

But, as you bring it up and this is an appropriate thread, I'd rather change F1 so it is less aero dependent for potential to race and open up the regs for more innovation. It is likely that would spread the field out, but the sport would be more pure in its ultimate aim to find the best. Similar to Paradise City's comment above. And when someone, with or without a bespoke engine, catches another car they can get past. Perhaps it makes me sound old and just want to hark back to the old days.

I think the transparent scrutineering in NASCAR is definetely good for NASCAR. I'm not so sure about F1. Although maybe they can make them all park on a grassy paddock so that it would be naturally more open. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-21740060
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Old 13 May 2017, 09:47 (Ref:3733156)   #2292
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FIA extends the DRS zones 100m at Barcelona

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...ish-gp-905103/

FIA extends the DRS zones 100m at Barcelona

Personally what I would like if the DRS zones were moved closer to the last corner instead of lengthened to the last corner.

Why? Because now the speed difference is so large at the end of the straight often it isn't really a fight. (I know Barcelona is different because of the the last two corners).

If you keep the DRS length more or less the same but instead move it closer to the last corner you achieve two things:

1 You "remedy" the problem closer to where is occurs, namely cars having difficulty following each other in fast corners. You allow the following car to close back up earlier and from there they have a chance.

2 The DRS closes sooner as well so the speed difference at the end of the straight will be smaller which makes for more interesting and less dangerous battles. (remember the outcry by some about MAX daring to move on the straight in Spa?)


I know it won't be possible everywhere, because at some tracks the DRS/straight is already to short with these cars. But on the tracks that do have the room and there are many (Canada, Monza, Bakuh, Austria, Spa, Mexico, probably some more) this would be the preferred option in my view.


PS1 I understand that at higher speed (end of the straight) DRS makes more of a difference

PS2 Yes I too would rather not have/need DRS in the first place.
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Old 21 May 2017, 08:36 (Ref:3734850)   #2294
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Ross Brawn was behind the move to allow non strategy group teams attend as observers, no real surprise there.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129635

It would not surprise me if the strategy group ends up in the dust bin with it being replaced with a better structure which is more inclusive.
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Further to my post HERE, looks like it'll be 1200+HP twin turbo V6 engines, with a standardised MGU-K system, and no MGU-H from 2021.
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