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Old 18 May 2017, 07:16 (Ref:3734183)   #376
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But it did.

He signed the contract with triple 8
And isn't involved in the day to day operations
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Old 18 May 2017, 07:34 (Ref:3734189)   #377
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Don't really get the shock. So 888 is entertaining the idea of a phased introduction, not an altogether silly idea. Things may have happened differently in Simon McNamara's time as head of Holden's motorsport division, but that was in an era where there were more $ available to encourage teams to update.
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Old 19 May 2017, 03:02 (Ref:3734377)   #378
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Because it wouldn't have happened on Mr McNamara's watch...
OK so there was an expectation that all Commodores would roll out in 2018 with TT6's.

I think that would have been a big ask and IMO teams would be very cautious right now which way to go, if they even make a change at all.

Clipsal 2018 is going to be very interesting.
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Old 22 May 2017, 14:55 (Ref:3735285)   #379
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OK so there was an expectation that all Commodores would roll out in 2018 with TT6's.
Most of the Holden teams aren't sponsored by Holden, so why would they update?
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Old 23 May 2017, 02:15 (Ref:3735393)   #380
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Most of the Holden teams aren't sponsored by Holden, so why would they update?
The comment referred to GTR's expectations, not mine.

I never expected all Holden teams to update either.
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Old 23 May 2017, 03:25 (Ref:3735401)   #381
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It is really a big risk, but they are the official Holden racing team now, they have to fly the flag.

Given 888's form you'd have to think they will do alright, but I don't think we've ever had an overseas engine, other than Volvos that I would declare a success. Prodrive's was a disaster, AMG's wasn't much better.
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Be interesting if they came out and hosed the field straight out of the box. But Roland wouldn't be that silly.
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Old 24 May 2017, 08:14 (Ref:3735617)   #383
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The engine configuration should be an advantage, but only if fully developed as there's very little performance left to extract from the pushrods, so it'll be interesting to see how polished it is day dot. Chassis wise will be very interesting to watch.
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Old 24 May 2017, 08:58 (Ref:3735627)   #384
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The thing here is that PHR has a 2013-spec front end in their chassis... by choice.
Financially induced or otherwise..

PHR bought a brand new 888 chassis last year, and settled for the 2013-spec uprights.

All the while having access to the newer mkV units.
The story at the time was PHR had heaps of spares of the old spec

When do they run out?
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Old 24 May 2017, 11:38 (Ref:3735651)   #385
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Do a deal with the Kosteckis?

He does have a point though. The development costs in the front-ends alone broadens the divide between the haves and have-nots even further.
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Good idea. Why not?

PACE (Ceprnich) does the control spaceframe (when they all used to do different roll cage designs, now we can appreciate that it doesn't matter if they are all the same), so they may as well supply a control front suspension as well. Or perhaps the legendary Harrop Engineering could win the tender for the supply?

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He does have a point though. The development costs in the front-ends alone broadens the divide between the haves and have-nots even further.
It's simple unequal length double wishbone, like any other racing car... the range of pickup points is very restricted... I don't understand how development can be so complex in this area!?

Do 888 run more ball joints or something!? Is that allowed? I notice the Ford Mustang, for example, uses two lower ball-joints at the upright with two separate individual lower control arms.

As we know BTCC is very successful with all the teams using identical front and rear subframes and suspension. Albeit the supplier enjoys a bit of blatant price gouging, much to the annoyance of privateer teams.

BTCC front subframe



(Unless I mistaken (likely), there doesn't seem to be any provision for a front crumple zone which is a bit of a worry.)

BTCC rear subframe... Note the mass produced cast wishbones, also interchangeable from LHS to RHS, to reduce costs.



I recall the Supercars front suspension rules are a carryover from pre-COTF, as a kind of concession to reduce changeover costs for the teams at that point. That must no longer apply, with that old stock long crashed, beyond service life or pensioned off...

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