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Old 18 May 2017, 23:44 (Ref:3734363)   #1396
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Having two different sanctioning bodies creates issues as well - 2x4 (car/bike) race meetings I've worked at have had to have a complete change of personnel to appease the sanctioning bodies with signoff's and other red-tape inducing measures.

To this is just to ensure TV coverage's don't clash. Which is wise.
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Old 19 May 2017, 06:52 (Ref:3734402)   #1397
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I can see a situation where some circuits could have two events over a holiday weekend. Eg, Sunday F1 and Monday MotoGP at Silverstone on August bank holiday. US double-header around 4 Jul? I'm sure some of the dictators would create a 'honour day' around their hosting date?
Could you not run one on the Saturday? Assuming this idea worked then you'd have to drop some support races - no way you could have all the MotoGP support races, GP2, GP3 and Porsches. So you'd have space to run a race on the Saturday.
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Old 19 May 2017, 08:53 (Ref:3734418)   #1398
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Maybe running one on Saturday would be better, after all until last season the Dutch TT used to run on a Saturday
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Old 19 May 2017, 11:04 (Ref:3734441)   #1399
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I'd like to hope that, it is simply a meeting to help deconflict events. It could mean a change in the schedules so that when both in Europe F1 changes to a 3pm (2pm in UK) start time, as Moto GP start at 2pm (1pm in the UK) but those races only run for 45 minutes or so, and would be finished by F1 start time.
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Old 19 May 2017, 11:14 (Ref:3734447)   #1400
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Bike fans are quite tribal, they often don't like car racing (though perhaps thats a generalization). I also think they wouldn't really like the prospect of paying now a reasonable €30-50 which would inevitably get bumped up to something like €200 for the same thing thanks to the "F1 premium".
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Old 19 May 2017, 14:20 (Ref:3734471)   #1401
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NaBUru38, i would like to hear more about this FIA world cup you suggest? i am assuming you are thinking of something more grand then just a Race of Champions type event?
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Old 19 May 2017, 17:05 (Ref:3734497)   #1402
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Bike fans are quite tribal, they often don't like car racing (though perhaps thats a generalization). I also think they wouldn't really like the prospect of paying now a reasonable €30-50 which would inevitably get bumped up to something like €200 for the same thing thanks to the "F1 premium".
IF (a big IF) they were to share bikes and cars at a meeting, and given the relative pricing, perhaps F1 qualy and MotoGP race on Saturday at the €50 mark, and F1 race, with MotoGP demo on Sunday at the €200 mark?
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Old 19 May 2017, 18:41 (Ref:3734519)   #1403
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yep fair point Mike...even if all the other logistical problems get sorted there is still the issue of taking two well attended events and turning it into one. the loss in revenue would of course be a major issue
Would there be a loss in revenue?
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Would there be a loss in revenue?
There would be unless they ran the events on separate days. Silverstone can only cater for so many spectators, and the GP has been opened up to about 140,000 now and over the last few years it has been sold out completely on the Sunday. And that's both the grandstands and general admittance.

And if last year was anything to go by, if you arrived much after 06.00 to grab your space, then actually seeing much of the track was almost impossible.
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There would be unless they ran the events on separate days. Silverstone can only cater for so many spectators, and the GP has been opened up to about 140,000 now and over the last few years it has been sold out completely on the Sunday. And that's both the grandstands and general admittance.

And if last year was anything to go by, if you arrived much after 06.00 to grab your space, then actually seeing much of the track was almost impossible.
How close to they get to 'sold out' on Fri & Sat?
And also how close does the motoGP get to sold out?

Firstly - I know this is massively hypothetical. But lets assume for a moment that Silverstone was seriously considering hosting motoGP and F1 over the same weekend.

The Sunday would obviously have little room to boost revenue, and would on paper equal existing F1 revenue and take zero of the existing motoGP revenue.
On the Saturday though, I would imagine F1 generates a marginal revenue stream, and probably far less than a motoGP Sunday.
By hosting the motoGP main event on a Saturday, that would in effect transfer the majority of the motoGP revenue to the Saturday, and possibly reduce some operating overheads as they are covering both events on a single weekend. You will also see a possible increase from crossover income (concessions, merchandise etc.) between different spectator groups.

Looking at motoGP and F1 alone, then it would probably result in a reduced revenue - but from the overall Silverstone model they would have two significant revenue streams consolidated into a single weekend, which can then be bolstered by an additional operating weekend for hosting another event (assuming there is something viable).

I'm also assuming that it would take minimal work for motoGP to operate from a second pit lane, but given the Silverstone configuration(s) I think this should be possible.

But hey - this is probably all a dream and we'll see the British round of F1 taken off the calendar before we see a shared event?!
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But hey - this is probably all a dream and we'll see the British round of F1 taken off the calendar before we see a shared event?!
That might be closer than you think but then there might be a solution.

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There would be unless they ran the events on separate days. Silverstone can only cater for so many spectators, and the GP has been opened up to about 140,000 now and over the last few years it has been sold out completely on the Sunday. And that's both the grandstands and general admittance.

And if last year was anything to go by, if you arrived much after 06.00 to grab your space, then actually seeing much of the track was almost impossible.
I would presume they would need to be run on separate days, not just because of the crowd size but because of the time it takes to run each race and also the broadcasting window. Both races would want to be aired at the optimum time.

They've been running a double header at Long Beach since 2007, with originally an ALMS round, now IMSA, on Saturday and the IndyCar race on Sunday.
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I would presume they would need to be run on separate days, not just because of the crowd size but because of the time it takes to run each race and also the broadcasting window. Both races would want to be aired at the optimum time.

They've been running a double header at Long Beach since 2007, with originally an ALMS round, now IMSA, on Saturday and the IndyCar race on Sunday.
Yes, but the IndyCar/IMSA doubleheaders at Long Beach and Detroit are special circumstances — IMSA sees Southern California and Detroit as key markets and the only way to get into those markets is by being part of the IndyCar weekend street course show. IMSA much prefers to be the headliner and not the support act. On permanent road courses, they no longer share dates with IndyCar or WEC. So if we’re talking about a Silverstone date, Long Beach isn’t a good analogy.
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Yes, but the IndyCar/IMSA doubleheaders at Long Beach and Detroit are special circumstances — IMSA sees Southern California and Detroit as key markets and the only way to get into those markets is by being part of the IndyCar weekend street course show. IMSA much prefers to be the headliner and not the support act. On permanent road courses, they no longer share dates with IndyCar or WEC. So if we’re talking about a Silverstone date, Long Beach isn’t a good analogy.
One aspect of Motorsport has always been about promoting in key markets, so I don't see what special circumstances have to do with it. If IMSA want to market in Detroit and Southern California, it makes sense to share both venues. There is the nature of a street course, the logistics and organizing, which only makes it available once a year plus there is a guaranteed TV audience and spectators at the track.

With regards to Southern California, if IMSA wanted to be the headliner, not that I think they are seen as a support act, the could always hold their own event at Fontana.

It's not an analogy, it's an example of how two different series can successfully run their respective races on the same weekend and over a number of seasons.
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