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Old 22 Feb 2013, 22:42 (Ref:3209394)   #16
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I am getting a little bored with the tyre stories..
I much prefer them to driver stories.

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They are round and black.
Yes, I remember TGF telling some journo much the same thing when asked which tyres he would be using for the race.

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I can not remember another time in the sport when a tyre manufacturer has had so much influence..
hmmmm.....I remember all that was talked about during pre-sole tyre supplier days was which tyre would better suit this track or that track, or this driver or that driver.

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Let us not use this as an excuse for a good bashing session..
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Old 22 Feb 2013, 23:02 (Ref:3209401)   #17
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Old 22 Feb 2013, 23:23 (Ref:3209408)   #18
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You can do better than that..

And it just fine if you don't know, because I think we are being hoodwinked with this tyre stuff..
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And it just fine if you don't know, because I think we are being hoodwinked with this tyre stuff..
Chill-out! They're just round black things.
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No because I think the tyres play to much of a role...

Words......Anyway you are the resident technical guru, so start delivering..

Otherwise I will send you to Mercedes ...
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It's a shame really. When we had a tyre war there was minimal chat about them really, other than the odd "this temperature/track suits Michelin/Bridgestone/Goodyear" more.

Much worse than having one supplier making spastic tyres that nobody likes, fronted by a massive dweeb and endless, season-long talk about how cack the new compounds will be/are. Apparently.
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It's a shame really. When we had a tyre war there was minimal chat about them really, other than the odd "this temperature/track suits Michelin/Bridgestone/Goodyear" more.

Much worse than having one supplier making spastic tyres that nobody likes, fronted by a massive dweeb and endless, season-long talk about how cack the new compounds will be/are. Apparently.
Well the problem I have at the moment David is, are the tyres that the teams tested at the end of last year, the same tyres that they are now testing with and are going to race with ?

I think it very very clever that Pirelli can make these changes it seems without too much of an issue, it's the constant tweaking that bothers me for a number of reasons..
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Old 23 Feb 2013, 16:19 (Ref:3209595)   #23
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It's a shame really. When we had a tyre war there was minimal chat about them really, other than the odd "this temperature/track suits Michelin/Bridgestone/Goodyear" more.
I can't remember a season when there wasn't talk about tyres. B and C compounds. Pirelli this, or Michelin that.

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Much worse than having one supplier making spastic tyres that nobody likes, fronted by a massive dweeb and endless, season-long talk about how cack the new compounds will be/are. Apparently.
I don't think that anyone has actually complained about Pirelli's tyres. At least the teams and drivers know that they have something that isn't worse, or better than anyone else has. They will also be pleased about the fact that the tyres aren't going to fail because one manufacturer pushed the tyres limits too far (Indy 2005).

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Well the problem I have at the moment David is, are the tyres that the teams tested at the end of last year, the same tyres that they are now testing with and are going to race with ?
I think that most of the teams now know what they are dealing with in terms of tyres. The tyres certainly seem to have a wider operating window than they did last season.

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I think it very very clever that Pirelli can make these changes it seems without too much of an issue, it's the constant tweaking that bothers me for a number of reasons..
As long as the teams are aware of any 'tweaking', then it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

When there was a tyre war, tyres were often constantly tweaked in favour of one team (Ferrari did huge mileages when testing Bridgestone tyre compounds) and the other teams using the same brand of tyres were often kept in the dark about any alterations made to the tyres, resulting in their cars having handling characteristics that changed dramatically from race to race. Either that, or they were given tyres that weren't as good as the latest update.
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Old 23 Feb 2013, 16:22 (Ref:3209599)   #24
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No because I think the tyres play to much of a role...

Words......Anyway you are the resident technical guru, so start delivering..

Otherwise I will send you to Mercedes ...
The last part of my post I am of course just jesting with you..

But it's an interesting subject none the less...

Pirelli have the ability to control the outcome of a seasons racing..
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Pirelli have the ability to control the outcome of a seasons racing..
Tyre manufacturers have always been able to do that. But with the current tyres the compounds will remain the same throughout the season, and the choice of compounds is given for each race well in advance.
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So what you are saying is that the compounds are now fixed for the year...
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Well the problem I have at the moment David is, are the tyres that the teams tested at the end of last year, the same tyres that they are now testing with and are going to race with ?
testing at the end of last year? the young driver tests?

perhaps i am forgetting a end of year test session, but since the teams conduct their young driver tests at different times and different places i would think that in fairness to those who chose to test earlier in the season everyone would have to use the same tires so im guessing that meant they used last years versions.

the timing of when they get the tires should be looked at more closely though. at the point of the first test some teams will have already spent literally tens of millions of dollars. not everyone is in the same boat then because Ferrari surely spent more than Sauber by the time either one of them got to see the 2013 tires.

from a cost point of view its some what ridiculous that you let teams spend this kind of money before you introduce 'a revolutionary variable' into the mix that could easily make all that they spent a complete waste.
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So what you are saying is that the compounds are now fixed for the year...
Yes, that's what I'm saying. Pirelli has always done that. The only thing that may change is the choice of compound for individual races, but this is usually made well in advance of any race.
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Didn't the teams run this years rubber prior to the race at Brazil? on the Friday I thought, if I recall...
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the timing of when they get the tires should be looked at more closely though. at the point of the first test some teams will have already spent literally tens of millions of dollars. not everyone is in the same boat then because Ferrari surely spent more than Sauber by the time either one of them got to see the 2013 tires.

from a cost point of view its some what ridiculous that you let teams spend this kind of money before you introduce 'a revolutionary variable' into the mix that could easily make all that they spent a complete waste.

This sums up where I am coming from to be honest..
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