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Old 28 Oct 2016, 13:17 (Ref:3683612)   #1
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What next for Joest Racing?

Now that the Audi LMP programme is coming to an end, what does Joest Racing do? Reinhold will be 80 next year - is there a succession plan in place? Or does he retire and the team folds? Or does the team look at GT3 with Audi, or forge links with a new manufacturer? Questions, questions...
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Old 28 Oct 2016, 13:47 (Ref:3683620)   #2
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Old 28 Oct 2016, 14:41 (Ref:3683627)   #3
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I am not sure about Joest Porsche really. I doubt Joest would prefer to be a client again. They are left in a limbo. Too late to do anything for next year. They could stay at Audi and become something like WRT(but again a client), maybe move into DTM(we all know how that worked the last time). The best thing would be for Audi to have a comeback plan over the next 5 years and keep Joest around to pick up from where they left off.

While Joest Porsche sounds nostalgic, I will always associate the team more with Audi as here they ran a full factory programme whilst they were always clients of Porsche(exception 98).
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Old 28 Oct 2016, 15:01 (Ref:3683632)   #4
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I am not sure about Joest Porsche really. I doubt Joest would prefer to be a client again. They are left in a limbo. Too late to do anything for next year. They could stay at Audi and become something like WRT(but again a client), maybe move into DTM(we all know how that worked the last time). The best thing would be for Audi to have a comeback plan over the next 5 years and keep Joest around to pick up from where they left off.

While Joest Porsche sounds nostalgic, I will always associate the team more with Audi as here they ran a full factory programme whilst they were always clients of Porsche(exception 98).
Manthey have been linked to the WEC GTE effort as the in house squad...

Joest is still hiring people, new people, for a new project..... There might be, (and I use might in the loosest fashion possible)for a DPi project. It's now known that petrol engine for the R18 was in development prior to the program cancellation. What those jobs are, I have no idea.. nothing is posted, but, the 300 Audi Sport employees have been retained, and new people are being hired, or have been hired, by Joest. You don't have room for 300 people in FE, and redistribution of many of them is unecessary, and unlikly given what else is out there currently.
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Old 28 Oct 2016, 16:07 (Ref:3683644)   #5
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Wishful thinking here.

So Audi is out because they want to be more electric.
Joest is still hiring people.
If Audi indeed developed gasoline engine for R18, then what about a Bentley return?

Bentley has Le Mans heritage, only wants to fight for overall win and don't emphasize on wanting to be electric.
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Old 28 Oct 2016, 16:21 (Ref:3683648)   #6
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Wishful thinking here.

So Audi is out because they want to be more electric.
Joest is still hiring people.
If Audi indeed developed gasoline engine for R18, then what about a Bentley return?

Bentley has Le Mans heritage, only wants to fight for overall win and don't emphasize on wanting to be electric.
Still has to be paid for by VAG though. I think cost cutting is the reason not that LMP1 is suddenly not so relevant to them. I imagine that dieselgate has already cost them much more than they thought and they aren't done yet.
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Old 28 Oct 2016, 19:27 (Ref:3683702)   #7
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Wishful thinking here.

So Audi is out because they want to be more electric.
Joest is still hiring people.
If Audi indeed developed gasoline engine for R18, then what about a Bentley return?

Bentley has Le Mans heritage, only wants to fight for overall win and don't emphasize on wanting to be electric.
Wishful thinking here too.
Joest is still hiring people for a new project.....
What is the possibility of a Joest R18 private non-hybrid With this mentioned gasoline engine?
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Old 28 Oct 2016, 19:36 (Ref:3683706)   #8
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Near zero. The best case scenario is probably running a third Porsche in two or three races.
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Near zero.
Less than zero. Audi won't allow it.
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Old 28 Oct 2016, 17:00 (Ref:3683655)   #10
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Perhaps Bentley in IMSA though....
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Old 28 Oct 2016, 20:16 (Ref:3683712)   #11
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Don't see the Porsche scenario happening.
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Old 29 Oct 2016, 01:17 (Ref:3683749)   #12
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Joest could easily run 2016 spec 919s at Le Mans.
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Old 29 Oct 2016, 01:37 (Ref:3683750)   #13
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Maybe he should see if Jaguar has any spare chassis laying around. Hey, it worked once before...
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Old 29 Oct 2016, 03:36 (Ref:3683763)   #14
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Formula E?
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Old 29 Oct 2016, 05:55 (Ref:3683770)   #15
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Wouldn't surprise me if it turns out that Red Bull are paying Audi to build an F1 engine.
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Why do that when they can rebadge the Renault as a TAG?
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Old 30 Jan 2017, 16:40 (Ref:3707825)   #17
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Joest Racing is targeting a move to the IMSA WeatherTech SportsCar Championship in 2018, with the German squad exploring options in running a DPi (Honda?) or GTLM (Lexus or Lamborghini?).

http://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/jo...ions-for-2018/
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Why do that when they can rebadge the Renault as a TAG?
If the new rules continue under Liberty and Ross Brawn (not a given) Red Bull needs their own "factory" engine, since Renault can give Red Bull an inferior spec or limit the available engine modes as Mercedes did to Williams.

Renault has their own works team now and RB burned that bridge.

Are current regulation F1 engines still allowed in LMP1-H? Audi could build a single engine for two championships.
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I wonder if in a few years we will be able to see a Joest Mazda in Le Mans with this new Mazda engine technology.
Mazda Reveals Revolutionary Spark-Less Gas Engine, that produce a more efficient combustion, which keeps fuel economy high and emissions low. It should also reduce the chance for the air-fuel mixture to combust prematurely, which is known as knocking. Mazda claims that, in conjunction with a supercharger, the Skyactiv-X engine could deliver "unprecedented" engine response and increase torque by 10 to 30 percent over the current family of gas engines. This technology can also improve engine efficiency by 20 to 30 percent compared to the current Skyactiv-G gas engine.

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I wonder if in a few years we will be able to see a Joest Mazda in Le Mans with this new Mazda engine technology.
Mazda Reveals Revolutionary Spark-Less Gas Engine, that produce a more efficient combustion, which keeps fuel economy high and emissions low. It should also reduce the chance for the air-fuel mixture to combust prematurely, which is known as knocking. Mazda claims that, in conjunction with a supercharger, the Skyactiv-X engine could deliver "unprecedented" engine response and increase torque by 10 to 30 percent over the current family of gas engines. This technology can also improve engine efficiency by 20 to 30 percent compared to the current Skyactiv-G gas engine.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/n...like-a-diesel/
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...d-spark-plugs/
http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2017/8/8...ngine-7740476/
I believe AER will continue to look after the Mazda IMSA engine, they are adamant their engine is on-par with the others, but have suffered with a highly unreliable installation and inexperienced team, so they tell me.....so now no excuses now with Joest......

I doubt very much you will see any of the the mentioned technologies in the Mazda race engine, but I know Mazda road-cars are releasing a 2.5 Litre 4-pot to make them on-par with V8 performance in the road-car market......so an easy strategy to make the IMSA I4 engine more torquey and competitive with the low end grunt of the V6 turos and the Caddy GM V8 would be to simply increase its displacement from 2.0 to 2.5 Litres......really they should have done this many years ago

To compound that, they may want to get into Turbulent Jet Injection (TJI), which is all the rage in F1 for the past 3 years......its worth a lot of performance and economy

I think the I4 is a good engine, but its just marginally too small on swept capacity, but its easily fixed.
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They're obviously looking at IMSA, but if you read the quotes theres nothing beyond that. S365 just filling in gaps with speculation again.
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Impressive. I remain skeptical, because we've just seen how amazingly not clean all the clean diesels are. But hopefully it's true.
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Sparkless Ignition for petrol engine. Basically automotive philosopher's stone.
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Sparkless Ignition for petrol engine. Basically automotive philosopher's stone.
Nonsense! Ever hear of a hotbulb engine? What do you think powers the combustion engines of Radio Controlled cars? Because it isn't a spark plug

Just being humorous, but in all seriousness, I find the saying "what's old is new again" to be true in many forms. I think many of the old technologies will make a return but with a modern twist in order to meet the future demands in the evolution that is the Internal Combustion Engine (efficiency, emissions, etc). Someone mentioned Formula 1's TJI. It's essentially prechamber ingition (indirect injection) tech with a modern touch.
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I hope Joest get back racing soon, they are a big name in sportscar racing
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