Gen 2 Supercar

[mayhem]

"I am sure at some stage there will be [Kia] vehicles involved one way or other [in Supercars] but we won’t be running a factory team," KMA communications boss Kevin Hepworth told motoring.com.au

Looks like we've got ourselves a new pace car.

[Tourer]

Some thoughts from Nissan MD on engines beyond 2018: Few choices from Nissan globally

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Kia to supercars?

They are confident it will go racing, but they refuse to (and see no benefit in?) pay(ing) for it to do so. That sense makes not!

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

They are confident it will go racing, but they refuse to (and see no benefit in?) pay(ing) for it to do so. That sense makes not!

Why doesnt it make sense?

happens all over the world in motorsport

[rich07]

It makes no sense to participate with the current costs to compete (and do so properly)

Costs need to be halved before we see the likes of KIA getting involved as well as Jaguar, Alfa and everyone else beating down Supercars door to get involved with Gen2..............

And good luck trying to find another Betty that will pay for the programme without the factory putting in any coin and getting the marketing exposure for free. Kudos to Volvo for actually putting their money in even if it all ended ratherly poorly

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Some thoughts from Nissan MD on engines beyond 2018: Few choices from Nissan globally

The thing is, a V8 Altima engine can run between 3,000 to 5,000km without major rebuild (except for valve gear updates), with few moving parts needing regular replacement. Kelly Racing back in the Holden days never usually laid a spanner on the engines, unless they were scheduled for maintenance, between rounds. Cheap performance, relatively.

A V6 biturbo engine is more highly stressed as a racing engine. Far more susceptible to temperature, inambient & oil and water and air. With vulnerability in inducting dirt and sand in the intakes. In having those 2 snails on there that are prone to falling out of balance, perhaps more especially in a variable boost environment we might see in the future. Data from the engines will probably need to be pored over, see where overboosting happened, temperature, and any other thing that could impact reliability

If you are 888 and throwing a fresh engine in for almost every event, the budget impost wont be a whole lot. If you are running the long life method like most other teams, the goalposts will shift.... in the hip pocket..

[GTRMagic]

ZB Commodore Gen2 Will Have It's Shakedown Today

[V8 Fireworks]

"If you are 888 and throwing a fresh engine in for almost every event, "

Source?

[V8 Fireworks]

"It makes no sense to participate with the current costs to compete (and do so properly)"

Of course. They could do worse than to mandate a Chevy LS7 crate engine for everyone, as trialled in NZ's V8 Supertourers.

[Compromised]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

"It makes no sense to participate with the current costs to compete (and do so properly)"

Of course. They could do worse than to mandate a Chevy LS7 crate engine for everyone, as trialled in NZ's V8 Supertourers.

How does that go? I don't follow NZ motorsport unfortunately

[Umai Naa]

The engine used, was the least of their troubles.

[GTRMagic]

Commodore Gen2 Is Go









More Here

[GTRMagic]

Commercially, a problem I can see is the width of the space between the grille and the air mistake for the engine/brakes. Just like the FGX, this space is significantly smaller than the previous model... meaning less space for a commercial brand to land

[GTRMagic]

20,000 Hours In Development!!

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

20,000 Hours In Development!!

So roughly thats 10 people for a whole year. At $60 an hour thats $1.2M

[Ospi]

Bet half that time was unpaid overtime knowing the industry.

Looks like a good product, hopefully aerodynamically superior to the current car to bridge the gap in that department.

[Umai Naa]

Oddly, the bloke in charge of two of the slipperiest cars on the grid, designed the two iterations of the VF aero.

[Ospi]

Always compromises when it comes to maintaining the styling of the brand so one optimised vehicle can trump another.

[djr81]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

The thing is, a V8 Altima engine can run between 3,000 to 5,000km without major rebuild (except for valve gear updates), with few moving parts needing regular replacement. Kelly Racing back in the Holden days never usually laid a spanner on the engines, unless they were scheduled for maintenance, between rounds. Cheap performance, relatively.

A V6 biturbo engine is more highly stressed as a racing engine. Far more susceptible to temperature, inambient & oil and water and air. With vulnerability in inducting dirt and sand in the intakes. In having those 2 snails on there that are prone to falling out of balance, perhaps more especially in a variable boost environment we might see in the future. Data from the engines will probably need to be pored over, see where overboosting happened, temperature, and any other thing that could impact reliability

If you are 888 and throwing a fresh engine in for almost every event, the budget impost wont be a whole lot. If you are running the long life method like most other teams, the goalposts will shift.... in the hip pocket..

650hp for a 3.5 litre turbo motor (On E85 at that) is not stressed. It is not even close to being stressed. An R35 you can buy from your friendly Nissan dealer has near on 600hp and runs on petrol. Comes with a warranty too.

And overboost? Their biggest problem is likely to be turning the thing down far enough to get parity with the atmo motors.

[Compromised]

How much longer can the VF be run? Is there a set date or its up in the air at the moment?

[Sandgroper]

YUCK, I hope it looks better in racing colours (Red)

The KIA looks far better to me..........oh wait, maybe it looks the same in black too.

Maybe time to cheer on a Mustang, that looks the shizzzz

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

YUCK, I hope it looks better in racing colours (Red)

The KIA looks far better to me..........oh wait, maybe it looks the same in black too.

Maybe time to cheer on a Mustang, that looks the shizzzz

I am imagining that the purpose of the dark colour scheme is to mask the actual crease lines of the base road car, unreleased into the market as it is.

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

I am imagining that the purpose of the dark colour scheme is to mask the actual crease lines of the base road car, unreleased into the market as it is.

well I hope a bit of colour adds to it cus it looks like a piece of poo now.

Than again, its not really a commodore to the traditionalists.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

YUCK, I hope it looks better in racing colours (Red)

The KIA looks far better to me..........oh wait, maybe it looks the same in black too.

Maybe time to cheer on a Mustang, that looks the shizzzz

Kia doesnt look good in yellow

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Kia doesnt look good in yellow

No but it looks better in Red, I guess time will tell but thats far Im not loving it.

Lets bring back "The Big Bangers"