[Race] Austrian Grand Prix 2017 – Round 9 of 20 – Grand Prix Weekend Thread

[bauble]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

I'm just beginning to think that you have a problem with people if their name begins with a 'V'...

Valtteri, Vettel, Viva. What a bunch ......

[bauble]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Yeah and not a jump start, no matter what that Vettel geezer thinks

But Ricciardo also thought he jumped the start, why pick on Vettel?

Is your bias showing?

Why not I never mind mine being on display.

Cheers

bauble.

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by bauble

Valtteri, Vettel, Viva. What a bunch ......

Yes, but two out of three isn't a bad average...

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by bauble

But Ricciardo also thought he jumped the start, why pick on Vettel?



Is your bias showing?



Why not I never mind mine being on display.



Cheers



bauble.

Because Ricciardo only said it looked like he did, Vettel is insisting he is and is making himself look a right berk, when it was proved he didn't

[bauble]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Because Ricciardo only said it looked like he did, Vettel is insisting he is and is making himself look a right berk, when it was proved he didn't

Vettel's big problem at the moment is that he is still in the limelight after Baku, and everything he said is pounced on for further scorn, by the media and many 'fans'.

The trouble with being unpopular, as I know from personal experience.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

I'm just beginning to think that you have a problem with people if their name begins with a 'V'...

Has Vewis Vamilton made it to F1 now? I always thought that kid was good.......

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I have to admit, when I watched the race yesterday, I thought Bottas jumped the start. However the car's transponder and telemetry said otherwise, so that's how it is.

Me too - I thought that straight away. But when it was replayed, it was clear it was just a brilliant start.

[Mike Harte]

It strikes me as a bit funny that some are surprised whenever a F1 driver makes a good start; they should always make good starts, provided that there are no mechanical gremlins.

However, I wonder whether the powers that be will ever return to the old system of grid formation, when the cars started on alternate rows, three abreast and two abreast. Yes it means that the cars are more tightly bunched at the first few corners, but at least it would almost eliminate the speed differential between the cars at the front of the grid and those at the rear. The way it is now, I would guess that the cars at the back would probably be in a higher gear by the time that they get to the braking zone. And this is why there are comings together so often at the starts of the races; each row of cars is reaching a higher velocity than the preceding row of cars.

[djinvicta]

What a damn good post Mike. Silly really, just common sense if you think about it.

[S griffin]

And it would also hopefully see the end of weaving at the start. Of course there would be the question over how the poleman would still have an advantage, but then he would still be on the clean side

[Adam43]

If your aim is to reduce the chance of a coming together at the start any benefit reduction in speed differential due to starting them on side by side rows that have a smaller gap is more than lost with the increased density. Simply put more cars in the same area increases the chance of contact, especially with the higher acceleration and deceleration rates of current F1 cars compared to reaction times.

I'm not against a proper side-by-side grid formation. However my rationale is not safety, but competition!

[JHamilton]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Me too - I thought that straight away. But when it was replayed, it was clear it was just a brilliant start.

It was a great start. However, when I saw the graphic appear I couldn't believe it said 2 tenths of a second... because that's terrible. I'm curious as to how they measure this. At a local drag strip here you would take some serious crap for cutting anything in the tenths and not in the hundredths.

[Adam43]

IIRC the graphic said 0.201s.

I think the measurement comes from sensors in the grid spot.

[Mike Harte]

Adam, I acknowledge that the cars would be packed tighter together, but at least the drivers would be, or certainly should be, far more aware of where the other cars around them were. It would also stop a lot of the weaving and darting into gaps that are closing rapidly.

I'm not trying to say that things were necessarily better in days of yore, but my memory tells me that there were far fewer comings together at the start of races, based on side by side starts, in the long distant past.

[Adam43]

I recall (so probably wrong!) the changes were made as the cars got quicker and accidents became more likely.

The not weaving thing is a good point, but sometimes having the space to do that might be required! For aggressive defending I'm with you.

I certainly know in our much slower form the tighter spacing make sense. If only to make it more fun

[chunterer]

Thing that ragged me was Vettel still banging on about it after the race and AFTER Bottas start had been adjudged to be ok.

God i wish Alonso was in the other Ferrari!!

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Me too - I thought that straight away. But when it was replayed, it was clear it was just a brilliant start.

At least I'm not the only one who intilally thought that.

[JHamilton]

Originally Posted by Adam43

IIRC the graphic said 0.201s.

I think the measurement comes from sensors in the grid spot.

Thanks, I kind of assumed they were breaking a beam and it's actually the car's reaction time. Hand clutch too!

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Thing that ragged me was Vettel still banging on about it after the race and AFTER Bottas start had been adjudged to be ok.

Yes, he obviously does inhabit a different universe!

Perhaps he thinks that to have a reaction time that quick you have to 'jump' the start.....

[bauble]

A lot (ie all) of the posters here have their own opinion on Bottas's start, rather surprisingly so does Sebastien Vettel.*


Oh! Of course his doesn't count.

[Mike Bell]

I don't care that his opinion differs to the telemetry and stewards, he is entitled to it after all, but what I found annoying (as did others it seems) is that he wouldn't accept that it could be wrong...... Same as side swiping another car in apparent anger (regardless of who was driving it)!

[F1Guy]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Yeah and not a jump start, no matter what that Vettel geezer thinks

And he kept on accusing Bottas for a jump start during every post race interview. Even mentioned it during the podium interviews and tried to pass it onto Ricciardo to explain, hoping Ricciardo would then get the bad rep. RIC didn't bite and made VET look like the whinger he is.

[chunterer]

It's quite embarassing really?

Ferrari need to have a word, he's getting a bit too cavalier.

[F1Guy]

Originally Posted by JHamilton

At a local drag strip here you would take some serious crap for cutting anything in the tenths and not in the hundredths.

A totally different set of circumstances. In drag racing you "move" on the final yellow knowing that exactly 0.5sec later you'll have the green. Reaction times of 0.00X is very common in bracket/sportsman class.

In F1, the five lights turn on in 1 sec intervals, and the time from when all five lights on to all lights out is a totally random time that is computer controlled. The race director has no control of this delay. Predicting what that time is going to be is totally impossible. Getting a visual reaction time under 0.150sec is almost humanly impossible. The average human visual reaction time is about 0.250sec. So Bottas' reaction time, was said to be 0.201sec, is above average - and if his reaction time had been 0.180sec or below, it would have been deemed a jump start.

[F1Guy]

So Grosjean deliberately parked it with an "electrical issue" with just a couple of minutes left in Q3 so he could hold position. This sort of tactic needs to be stamped out of the sport. Rosberg did it Monaco 2014 too.

One way is to amend the qualifying rules where if you were the cause for the yellow or red flag during qualifying, then your fastest time is deleted and the next best time is used instead. This should stop this sort of dirty tactics.