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Old 24 Oct 2017, 19:03 (Ref:3776195)   #1141
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Mysterious circumstances?
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Old 24 Oct 2017, 19:41 (Ref:3776210)   #1142
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From an engineering point of view, it was pretty mysterious. Well, it was blatantly agenda pushing. Entire concepts were written off after 5 minute test sessions, and received no development beyond the initial concept. Meanwhile the Halo got years of work.

There are qualified engineers on this forum who know much more about development processes than me, but I am studying engineering. The way the Halo was introduced raises huge red flags for me and goes against the entire engineering process I've been taught, literally from the first week of my studies. There has been no attempt to flesh out the different concepts to find the best solutions. It's quite blatantly agenda pushing. Who is doing it and why? That's the mysterious bit.

The worlds most advanced motorsport is deliberately not exploring what the most suitable solution is. That is pretty odd.
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Ah, I read more into it than that, maybe incorrectly. I was reading a suggestion that someone was on a back handed or something, rather than we just don't know everything about the process.

Is this the final version forever, or just the one that is ahead at the moment? That's the engineering approach I'd have, explore many solutions and perhaps introduce the one that is ahead first, that not commmit forever. I don't know, honestly just trying to understand as I haven't fully kept up with this, especially over the last few months. Still it's just a guess from me.
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No surprise that IndyCar won't be using the Halo.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/132592

Newgarden is right, the line of sight required on an oval is completely different from that of a flat circuit, you spend your time looking up and left on the corners where a lot of the structure of the halo is.

Guess their solution will look like the red bull screen.
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Old 24 Oct 2017, 21:50 (Ref:3776246)   #1145
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Typical F1 BS trying to reinvent the wheel.
It isn't rocket science.
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Old 14 Nov 2017, 15:24 (Ref:3780397)   #1146
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so this thread started back in 2011 and i imagine other variations existed prior (post Massa's injury and Surtees' unfortunate passing).

but here we are in Nov of 2017 and we are about to see the last race without any head/face protection (well not including helmets).

A) shocking that it took so long and B) sad that after so many years the only viable concept they came up with is a partially effective half measure and one that lacks any aesthetic appeal whatsoever (not the priority i know but still).

have been rereading some of the earlier posts and it seems like some of the worst fears have been realized....lack of action and will to mitigate unnecessary risks and the implementation of a flawed system.

i should add, and unless i am mistaken, it is also sad that the adoption of the 'Halo' also seems to have come with an abandonment of pursuing any other alternatives.
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Old 14 Nov 2017, 17:12 (Ref:3780412)   #1147
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so this thread started back in 2011 and i imagine other variations existed prior (post Massa's injury and Surtees' unfortunate passing).

but here we are in Nov of 2017 and we are about to see the last race without any head/face protection (well not including helmets).

A) shocking that it took so long and B) sad that after so many years the only viable concept they came up with is a partially effective half measure and one that lacks any aesthetic appeal whatsoever (not the priority i know but still).

have been rereading some of the earlier posts and it seems like some of the worst fears have been realized....lack of action and will to mitigate unnecessary risks and the implementation of a flawed system.

i should add, and unless i am mistaken, it is also sad that the adoption of the 'Halo' also seems to have come with an abandonment of pursuing any other alternatives.
Apart from Vettel's few laps round Silverstone, that was it for the Shield and iirc, the Halo will be adopted forthwith and no alternative will be pursued, which seems totally wrong.

I've said it before it behooves the FIA and F1 to get this as right as possible and thoroughly test the alternatives. It would be tragically ironic, that with the forced introduction of the Halo, a driver were to suffer an injury, just to highlight how inept the FIA have been in pursuing alternatives. Hopefully, that won't happen.
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Old 14 Nov 2017, 18:02 (Ref:3780426)   #1148
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Red Bull also tested the aero shield in 2016. There were no vision problems reported with the Red Bull designed version.
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I'd almost forgotten about the halo for next season. I still feel the FIA were terribly negligent in not giving the shield more tests, as it was alright for RBR. It all seems fishy to me that Ferrari didn't like it and now it's not going to be used, even though all the other teams were in favour of it
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