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Old 14 Nov 2017, 15:06 (Ref:3780394)   #2431
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As Adam has pointed out this thread has gone seriously off topic.

Just as a reminder it's title is "Future Rule Changes" lets keep the discussion centred around that going forward please.
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Old 14 Nov 2017, 15:24 (Ref:3780396)   #2432
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I notice Pirelli are bringing in a permanent pink compound, and if I read it correctly it will be the new 'softest'. Will this coincide with any change to allocations or requirements for compound use during the race?
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Old 14 Nov 2017, 15:42 (Ref:3780399)   #2433
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as it stands, next year the engine allotments will go down to 3 engines and if i am not mistaken some components will go down to 2.

one driver has been vocal about this recently and given that we saw him fly through the field, essentially, because he didnt have to worry about conserving his engine any more i have to agree that they are pushing the restrictions (based on cost savings) way way too far.

in fairness, how many teams even have to worry about money? rather they can and will have the money to spend if it directly translates into performance they can realize on track.

Ferrari and Merc can afford as many engines as they want, Renault as an engine manu is probably in the same boat, RB are not far behind provided Renault can build enough, STR will have Honda/manu backing, and Mclaren seem to be willing to spend money although im not sure where its coming from.

Williams and FI have tighter budgets but are most likely capable of sticking to 4 units as they did this year.

Haas maybe but Sauber for sure are just going to conserve as much as possible no matter what the allotment is so for them does it really matter if the cap is set at 3 units or 20 units for them?

so basically 60% of the grid can do without the cost saving in this area, 20% (or 30%) can go either way, and 10% (maybe 20%) have a self imposed budgetary limit.

so whats really going on with this limit? do they love penalties that much?
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Old 14 Nov 2017, 16:58 (Ref:3780409)   #2434
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I notice Pirelli are bringing in a permanent pink compound, and if I read it correctly it will be the new 'softest'. Will this coincide with any change to allocations or requirements for compound use during the race?
Autosport have this: http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/132981 and they say, Pirelli could add as many as three new compounds to the range. The vote on Twitter, so fans can decide whether it is named the 'mega-soft', 'extreme-soft' or 'hyper-soft', cracks me up.

Does F1 really need all those compounds?
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Old 14 Nov 2017, 17:12 (Ref:3780411)   #2435
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Autosport have this: http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/132981 and they say, Pirelli could add as many as three new compounds to the range. The vote on Twitter, so fans can decide whether it is named the 'mega-soft', 'extreme-soft' or 'hyper-soft', cracks me up.

Does F1 really need all those compounds?
Well this doesnt help them decide:

'A final decision will be made after McLaren drivers Stoffel Vandoorne and Lando Norris complete the last development test for next season's tyres at Interlagos next week, after Sunday's Brazilian Grand Prix.'


Given the possible range of tyre options, would it make sense to mandate 2 pit-stops per race? We saw at the weekend the pace of fresh rubber late on.
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Old 14 Nov 2017, 17:47 (Ref:3780420)   #2436
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Autosport have this: http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/132981 and they say, Pirelli could add as many as three new compounds to the range. The vote on Twitter, so fans can decide whether it is named the 'mega-soft', 'extreme-soft' or 'hyper-soft', cracks me up.

Does F1 really need all those compounds?
Going by a relatively recent on-line naming vote they'll probably end up[ being called Softy McSoft-tyre!
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Going by a relatively recent on-line naming vote they'll probably end up[ being called Softy McSoft-tyre!
How about Pinky McPink-tyre?

It all gets a bit confusing when Pirelli say they want to retain the existing name/colour combinations but at intermediate compounds.

Does that mean we'll end up with Half-Ultra soft?
Or will it be a Ultper soft?
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Old 15 Nov 2017, 00:17 (Ref:3780496)   #2438
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How about Pinky McPink-tyre?

It all gets a bit confusing when Pirelli say they want to retain the existing name/colour combinations but at intermediate compounds.

Does that mean we'll end up with Half-Ultra soft?
Or will it be a Ultper soft?
Force India might like the Pinky McPink-tyre.
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Old 15 Nov 2017, 06:15 (Ref:3780519)   #2439
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Force India might like the Pinky McPink-tyre.
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Well they too are looking for a new name - Forcey McForce Team?

FIA haven't openly stopped them from using Force One, but it was felt to be too similar to F1 so they are going down a different route.
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I'm wondering if the Liberty involvement will see a wider change in the way teams are named in future, and whether anything in the rules prevents (or encourages) this. We already have engines that are badged on the basis of sponsorship - is there any rule that prevents a team being entirely named after a main sponsor?

I get that we see Martini-Williams and Sahara Force India, but everyone still refers to them as just Williams and Force India.
Could we see the team/constructor name dropped for just Sahara racing versus Martini racing?
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Well they too are looking for a new name - Forcey McForce Team?

FIA haven't openly stopped them from using Force One, but it was felt to be too similar to F1 so they are going down a different route.
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I'm wondering if the Liberty involvement will see a wider change in the way teams are named in future, and whether anything in the rules prevents (or encourages) this. We already have engines that are badged on the basis of sponsorship - is there any rule that prevents a team being entirely named after a main sponsor?

I get that we see Martini-Williams and Sahara Force India, but everyone still refers to them as just Williams and Force India.
Could we see the team/constructor name dropped for just Sahara racing versus Martini racing?
You change your name you lose your previous season's points revenue.
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McPink tyre?............... wait for the legal letters from a fast food chain about infringing their trade mark!!!!!!
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We have enough compounds, we don't need to over complicate it by bringing in more. Just add another tyre manufacturer to spice it up
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Regarding the potential changes to engines and the need for an independent supplier - why doesn't FOM finance the design of the independent engine? FOM could get Ilmor or Cosworth to design and build the engine - so much like BTCC where there is the TOCA engine F1 would have the FOM engine which would be available to any team that wants it (or can't get a manufacturer to supply them).
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We have enough compounds, we don't need to over complicate it by bringing in more. Just add another tyre manufacturer to spice it up
I keep saying it but if F1 can find away to over complicate things, they will.
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If this new engine rule is just gonna lead to more grid penalties, what’s the point?
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