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Old 1 Nov 2017, 05:28 (Ref:3777905)   #1
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Driver briefing videos

Sky Sports & the official F1 site have been lately showing the driver briefings which I think is a fantastic initiative and provides a good insight, I've enjoyed them thus far.

Most drivers seem to just sit back and let the main vocalists duke it out.

Lewis however, well it's all a little "well Seb does this and Seb did that"...

Sure hope these continue into the future!

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Japan: https://www.formula1.com/en/video/20...g_-_Japan.html

USA: https://www.formula1.com/en/video/20...ing_-_USA.html

Mexico: https://www.formula1.com/en/video/20..._-_Mexico.html
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Old 1 Nov 2017, 15:38 (Ref:3777997)   #2
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I like that they are providing these. My thoughts...

1. I am surprised about how little of importance is actually discussed or how little actual instruction is provided by Charlie. However we don't know how much might be discussed offline in other forums. It sounds more like a chance for drivers to talk to Charlie directly.

2. Its interesting to see the driver personalities. Especially when they come across as small children with "tit for tat" complaints to their parents. The entire exchange about "loosening" or "undoing" belts at the end of the race was hilarious. Of course it started with the discussion about not riding on other cars which led to steering wheel not being left on the car which led to undoing straps. Short version (note... not direct quotes, but me paraphrasing)...

Charlie: It was OK this time, but please don't ride on other cars (talking about Seb, but letting him off the hook for breaking a rule).

Lewis: What about Seb taking his steering wheel with him (pointing out another violation)?

Charlie: Well, that was sort of OK (thinking... we didn't really want to penalize him)

Grosjean: What about Lewis undoing his belts after checked flag (Lewis are you the pot and Seb the kettle?)

Charlie: You can't undo your belts.

Grosjean: (Thinking to himself... Lewis is clearly undoing his belts)

Charlie: Loosening is OK, but you should not "undo" your belts (patting himself on back for clearing that up!)

Massa: Umm, when in the car, the driver really can't loosen them. You really can only unlatch them (addressing elephant in room among the drivers)

Charlie: So, Lewis, do you loosen them or undo them?

Lewis: (sheepish grin on face) I undo them (also peeved at Grosjean for bringing it up, and maybe not realizing he sort of started the tit for tat)

To be honest, I am not sure if ANYTHING was sorted out in any of those meetings.

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Old 1 Nov 2017, 16:00 (Ref:3778000)   #3
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Ah well, it certainly helped get them through a bit of it and gave us something entertaining to read
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Old 1 Nov 2017, 16:46 (Ref:3778011)   #4
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Hamilton is, as we would have named him at school, a sneak. He has form for this running off to headmaster Whiting when things don't go his way. Such as the incident that happened last year, or was it before that?, when he went to Charlie behind the team's back to complain (he claimed that it was just clarification that he wanted) over something that, I think, Nico did.

Whatever, he often displays a childlike demeanour which is not very endearing.

(Just to make it clear, I used to admire him when he first came into F1, but I find him tiresome nowadays.)
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Vettel poking fun of LH's headphones in the Mexico debrief was pretty funny.
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Old 1 Nov 2017, 18:23 (Ref:3778025)   #6
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Vettel poking fun of LH's headphones in the Mexico debrief was pretty funny.
Yes! And while I was critical of the meetings... please continue to show them to us. They are entertaining.

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Not as fun as the one in the Senna movie, with Mr J-M Balestre trying to convince the drivers that he knew track safety better than them, and that he wasn’t favouring Mr Prost....

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Yes, the famous ‘the best decision is my decision,’ although he meant his decision to give drivers a vote on something
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According to SKY F1 the "important" part of the briefing isnt shown in public, only the "Q & A" driver discussion from the last race.
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According to SKY F1 the "important" part of the briefing isnt shown in public, only the "Q & A" driver discussion from the last race.
I want to believe that and it is probably true, but take the USA briefing as an example. Unless there was some very crafty editing, the video clearly starts with the start of the meeting with Charlie effectively hushing the crowd to get the meeting going and ends with everyone getting up to leave.

I would assume the other briefings are not part of this meeting at all. I would love to know how that works. Maybe just prior to (or after) the driver Q&A there is a meeting that is between team principles and other key team stakeholders and Charlie (and other "race control" types)?

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According to SKY F1 the "important" part of the briefing isnt shown in public, only the "Q & A" driver discussion from the last race.
I hope this is the case. Drivers and officials should be free to speak freely in these meetings without the restriction of knowing they’re being filmed.

I do agree they can be intriguing and the clips in the Senna film were fascinating.
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They were only fascinating because they were being orchestrated by a complete and utter buffoon!!
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Ahhh yet another hamilton bashing thread

Not sure what hamilton did wrong or why he is a sneak. He asked a legitimate question as to why a driver wasn’t penalised for breaking the rules TWICE, by removing his steering wheel, and riding back on another car. The same questions fans were asking the week previously.

Given that he himself has been penalised for not going around a cone in Russia during qualifying, on an aborted lap and got docked places, and got penalised for pushing his car back in the pit lane, I can understand the relevance of getting clarity and consistancy when other drivers are breaking the rules.

Also seems like Perez is picked on quite a bit by other drivers in there too!
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Ahhh yet another hamilton bashing thread
Maybe one post, but the entire thread? Umm... no? Maybe the best thing is to not help turn this into a Hamilton thread?

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Not sure what hamilton did wrong or why he is a sneak.
I wasn't the one calling him a sneak, but my observation was that he decided to complain about another driver breaking a rule and then he became annoyed when someone called him out as well. After pointing his finger at others, did he think someone wouldn't be able to find an example of him doing something wrong?

It's clear to me that they ALL have probably done (and gotten away) with something. Maybe even on a regular basis. The point is that the tit for tat stuff in that meeting is apparently pointless.

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