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The IPO and STEWARDS have to GO !~ !
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15 Aug 2005, 03:07 (Ref:1382346) | #2 | |
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Just because they were on the limiter going down pitlane does not mean they did not exceed the limit on the entry - which is what I believe was judged to be the case.
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Correct when both these guys were told about the black flags the first thing both of them asked on the radios was "what is it for". I heard somebody tell Ambrose that it was speeding on the entery to pit lane. I must say both of them were very calm on the radio no swearing or anything very professional. |
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15 Aug 2005, 03:29 (Ref:1382353) | #5 | ||
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It justs looks bad with the 2 leading cars and no one else pinged for it. Everything should be made transparent with the technology available now.
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15 Aug 2005, 03:35 (Ref:1382356) | #6 | ||
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Seemed pretty straightforward to me. Officialdom does a lot of stupid things in this game, but you cannot blame them for everything. |
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This is the same issue as the other thread about the camera.... despite the assertions that the result could be changed, there is no precedent, and indeed not formula or prescription to remove race time from a car and change the placings.
It seems easy to be able to add time to a car, but unless I am very much mistaken, other than this race I dont know how you can adjust race times up and down in the current V8Supercar regulations I have an interesting ponderance though... as I understand it... the non-laser speed detector used at Oran Park at the weekend, is supposed to be used in a defined range of operation, in order to reduce the risk of stray return signals from other vehicles or objects. So for example, if you point one of these guns at a certain angle, and the signal bounces back, you may in fact miss your target at speed, and pick up the following car, or indeed a tree that has been in the ground for 20 years, also travelling at 41 km/h!! There are police guidelines in place for the use of measuring speed with a non-laser style radar gun.... which requires that the equipment is calibrated to manufacturer standards... so 41 km/h is indeed 41 km/h, not some other speed.... The issue here is said to be one of calibration and installation.... with one suggestion made that the equipment currently in use at circuits such as Oran Park have not been calibrated within the guidelines of the maker, and indeed the operators in pitlane may not be certified in the use of said equipment by that manufacturer.... All this rubbish goes away if they cut timing lines into the pitlane, and let the Dorian Data-1 system do what it should be capable of doing!! |
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15 Aug 2005, 09:20 (Ref:1382467) | #8 | ||
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Someone had a time penality added after the race on Sunday (I think)
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15 Aug 2005, 09:31 (Ref:1382471) | #9 | ||
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Steve Owen had 40 seconds added for a jump start. The 40 secs was deemed to be the equivalent of a drive through as the offence was not addressed during the race. I believe Andrew Jones also had a drivethrough for pit lane speeding.
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15 Aug 2005, 09:54 (Ref:1382495) | #10 | ||
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Ambrose in particular should have been more cautious, he had a handy lead and could easily afford to lose some time in pitlane and still come out in front. There was no need for optimum efficiency at pit entry or pit exit. Having said that, it is easy to make judgements after the event when I am not the one in the "heat of battle". Maybe it is one for his engineer to remind him about in future rounds.
It did liven up what could have been a couple of one-sided races though! |
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15 Aug 2005, 10:42 (Ref:1382543) | #12 | ||
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Speaking of jump starts I was very disappointed in Mark Skaiffe's comments in the post race 1 interview. He stated that the drive through for the jump start was ludicrous because he had already been penalised by stuffing up his start and losing a dozen or so places. I'm sorry Mr Skaiffe but the 2 incidents are unrelated. If you stuff the start you penalise yourself, if you jump the start you are penalised by the IPO. If you jump the start and also stuff the start up, you cop both penaties.
For the record, I don't believe that he did jump the start, but that should be debated with the IPO. To suggest that the penalty was invalid because of the time he lost due to his lousy start I found amateurish in the extreme, and not worthy of a driver with his experience. |
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15 Aug 2005, 11:52 (Ref:1382630) | #13 | |
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or my personal favorite. skaife three wide tries to drive around the corner without leaving room and ends up in the dirt "Then I decided to go down the outside of them all into Turn 3 and (Jason) Bargwanna didn’t see that I was there and he turned into the car and spun me around. I would have thought he should have been penalized"
Well no mark. surely you learnt at EC that you have to leave room for the car on the inside. |
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15 Aug 2005, 20:26 (Ref:1383071) | #15 | ||
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I was led to believe the timesheets were updated after any change from the 'AVESCO' magic.... if they arent, then the data is certainly unreliable.
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There is too much variation in a system like that - if my understanding of the system you are proposing is up to scratch. |
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16 Aug 2005, 00:44 (Ref:1383221) | #18 | ||
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As Mac said, the Dorian system would measure AVERAGE speed, not instantaneous speed, which is the one you want to measure for SAFETY! ...and exactly how did the teams measure the speed of a sliding car??? I suppose their data also shows them doing 100 leaving the pit bay (as the wheels spin) A tree doing 41km/h in pit lane Now I have heard everything... |
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I know its opening up a can of worms but surely the IPO could allow 10% for error. It seems most of these guys are attempting to comply with the rules and I think the difference between 40 and 44 kmh in the pit lane as a safety issue doesnt rank along side the way these guys 'race' around the track under safety car conditions to catch up to the back of the pack. ala. Todd Kelly earlier in the year. |
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16 Aug 2005, 01:32 (Ref:1383234) | #20 | ||
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OK, so we change the rules to say 40km/h, but you will nott be penalised until 44...so all the teams set the speedlimiter to 43.9 and we have a hole in the bucket dear 'liza... Or we say that they can go up to 44km/h in the first and last 10 m of pit lane, so drivers brake later, speed up sooner...and we have a hole in the bucket... You set the upper limit, and police it...You set the exact point and police it... The drivers could lower the risk of a drive through by slowing down sooner, or speeding up later... Then again, the teams could also set the speed limiter lower... But no, lets maximise risk for a few milli-seconds that only has a flow on effect in one or two races per year... ...and if 44 is OK, why not 48? It's like the Vic wipe off five campaign, eventually your stationary... Cheers |
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Sure you can make the argument that teams will attempt to take advantage of the 10% rule but aren't we all big boys and girls.
The rule is 40 kmh. If you break it once by less than 10% the IPO gives you a warning. Do it again and your pinged. A simple allowance for human error. |
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Why not have a slow down run in area where you have to be at say about 60 with a little room for error and not that heavily policed, but then once you hit the 'red zone' its 40 and nothing else will do - they have no excuses then for running into the lane too hot and even if you go right to the limit of the space available, a slide into the red zone just wont happen when you're doing 60 rather than 150 - there has to be time to get down to speed that still promotes enough encouragement to get the last 10th out of your in lap - after all you get 200m to come down to speed on the streets with a new speed zone, so why not pitlane? |
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The teams already take advantage of every rule, so the "big boys and girls" just doesn't stick...When changing ANY rule, on MUST look for loop-holes... Assuming the single warning approach, at Oran Park where they only come into the pits once...the IPO's warning is irrelevant... I agree with you for multi-stop races..but then it gets too confusing... SRabbit, again, focusing on Oran Park, where would the slow-down section be? Would it be BEFORE the current 40 line (to maintain the safety of Pit bay 32...)? |
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Why not have something that can accurately measure the speed of the car crossing the line.
The cars already have a transponder to measure jump starts (don't they). Measure this twice, close together, determine if the speed is greater than the limit. It they are speeding, shoot up some spikes out of the ground (like the ones in car parks) and that will act as a major deterrent! DKGandBH |
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Just like a car speedo has a tolerance so would the sensors on race cars which operate in a much tougher enviroment than your average road car. |
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