Asian F2.0 2009

[sequentialbox]

Let's talk about all the news about Asian F2.0 2009 here

[META4]

Originally Posted by sequentialbox

Let's talk about all the news about Asian F2.0 2009 here

I would love to talk about this championship but i think unfortunatly there is not much to say at this point of the season... any provisional schedule? Entry list?... not really AFAIK

[runshaw]

Asian F2.0?

[Valker]

Formula Asia 2.0

It's a FR2.0 series run on AFOS weekends.

[sequentialbox]

Yes it is run on AFOS week end mostly and all the info were given to the team in december already.
Calendar is:

1, 2 & 3 2 – 3 May CFO China Shanghai
4 & 5 23 – 24 May AFOS Malaysia Sepang ST
6 & 7 21 – 22 June SGT Malaysia Sepang FT
8 & 9 18 – 19 July AFOS Indonesia Sentul
10&11 22 – 23 Aug. CFO China Chengdu
12 & 13 & 14 19 – 20 Sept CFO China Shanghai
15, 16 & 17 10 – 11 Oct. AFOS Thailand Bira

Real asian championship.

On the other side FRD is supposed to also have a championship starting in march in zhuhai, but despite it being in less than two months, no info yet on calendar,R&R, costs,etc... (typicall FRD i would say)

[sequentialbox]

And it is called Formula asia 2.0.

so far some teams seems comitted to AFOS:

M3 of course
Dynaten
CHamp (but you never knows)
Modena Motorsports.


and to FRD:

FRD
ART

FRD championship should be entirely in china bar one
race in sepang

[Asa]

Originally Posted by sequentialbox

Real asian championship.

I think for anything to be considered Real Asian, it needs to have races in all 4 Asian regions: East Asia (China, Korea, Japan); ASEAN (Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Singapore...etc); South Asia (India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka...etc) and West Asia (Middle East).

AFOS series only have races in East Asia and ASEAN so it is as Asian as FRD series. Neither are better than the other I would say.

[Lam Pak]

better stand tall or they are calling you out. many ppl testing and dropping in zhuhai these week.
champ motorsport - zhu da wei , victor yeung (him car)
asia racing team -yo****oke kuroda, luca ferriguti, simon kwam, zhu dai wei
dtm - mark williamson(him car)

kuroda has been faster of all.

[speedfreak1984]

There seems to be a bit of confusion around the Formula Asia 2.0 and Asian Formula Renault series.
I have analyzed both series and I would like to make a choice between both racing series and would like to know from others what they consider to be the best choice. As far as I can see from information available between the 2 series is the following information. Please let me know what you think is correct? Or if you have additional information.
1. Formula Asia 2.0 has got proper TV coverage and AFR does not. Which of course will be key to obtaining any sponsors.
2. Formula Asia 2.0 has got proper Scrutineers from European Renault championships AFR has not, I heard their scrutineering was already bad with Renault, wonder what it will be without any control from Renault? Maybe a “free for all”?.
3. AFR claim to have hospitality is the standard any good? Cant seem to find anything on FA2.0 hospitality.
4. FA2.0 has got proper press releases and photographers and a half decent website unlike FRD.
5. AFR’s entry fee is 100.000 HKD and FA2.0 is 120.000 HKD
6. However by the looks of it AFR is trying to make money on the shipping, just for calculations sake: FA 2.0 claims their shipping cost is around 20.000 USD per container. A container from my experience can take up around 4 cars, so that is 5000 USD per car. AFR is asking 90.000 HK per car for shipping and they only go outside of china once. Where as FA2.0 is all over Asia. So to compare the total cost for FA 2.0 is (HKD and USD exchange rate at 7.75) Registration 15.500 USD plus shipping 5000 USD = 20.500 USD per car. AFR is 13000 registration fee plus 12.000 USD on Shipping is 25.000 USD so AFR is about 4500 USD more expensive then FA2.0
7. Tyres FA2.0 is using the Michelin tyres, AFR is using Khumo, are they any good? From my experience in Europe is that the Michelin tyres are very consistent, what about the khumo’s?
Price wise they are around the same price per set.
Formula Asia has got a strict tyre parc ferme and AFR has got “some sort of tyre control” what does that mean?
FA2.0 has got 15 rounds AFR only 14.
8. FA 2.0 has got 6 events and AFR has got 7 events. Looks like some money can be saved on hotels and flights with AF2.0
9. FA2.0 will be across 4 different countries and AFR only 2 different countries.
10. In terms of classes and classification they are about the same as far I can see.
11. In terms of track time it looks like FA2.0 has got more track time 6 testing sessions/free practice, plus half an hour qualifying and compare to 2 free practice sessions and a 15 mniute warm up.
12. What events are AFR running with? I heard the AFOS events and Super GT are pretty good events?
13. Most of the professional teams are now in FA2.0, ART, March 3, Modenas Motorsport, PTRS, Champ and DTM.
Some other observations I have made, why would FRD refuse Renaults offer? Anybody know’s?
Also looks like Motorsport Asia has blocked FRD from coming to Malaysia at their home ground as AFR intended to come to Malaysia’s super GT as well. Wonder what happened there. I also wonder how FRD will manage to keep the name Renault in their championship name when Renault does not support the series any more, would be interesting to see what kind of Lawsuit FRD will get from Renault, which means they have to change to name. Which means more confusion for outsiders.
Well if I look at the list above of facts looks like FA2.0 is better value for money and comes out as the better choice. Anyone has got any idea on grid numbers for both series?
Please do let me know if you have any further information that can help me with making a choice.
Happy racing

[Lam Pak]

this is long. now i see the world as a candy store. same same i do not know where you get such infromation unaffected by rumors, the truth: i don't care. so open your mouth and let your tongue and you might as well let go you can't take back what the true.under the strobe lights the things arent as you say. frd got the support of champ and ptrs and modena motorsport boss is buying new clio cup cars to frd. modena don't run from herself, man, that's no way to live for them cause they have their cars in frd garages. ghiasport buy 1 new car and goona run in the series cause frd gave them the new clio cup management. chinese are together. af20 still own march3, dtm and asia racing team but dtm is one car and asia racing team is rumored to be pulling the plug out. if asia racing team goes way afos is ****.

[Albeckinho]

WHAT.

[sequentialbox]

Lam Pak:

1-it's time you buy a new english translator cause we can't understand a thing.

2-I guess champ is supporting FRD cause they are allowed to cheat as much as they can???

3-All the rest is crap, Modena gave back the pits to FRD and their 5 FR are aleready gone to HK and will run in AFOS.

[Monkey Head]

FRD Calander 2009:

March 20-22 Zhuhai - China Rd 1 & 2
April 24-26 Bira, Thailand Rd 3 & 4
May 8-10 Bira, Thailand Rd 5 & 6
July 25-26 Shanghai - China Rd 7 & 8
Aug 22-23 Shanghai - China Rd 9 & 10
Oct 10-11 Chengdu – China Rd 11 & 12
Oct 31- Nov 01 Beiing – China Rd 13 & 14

only one event for ZIC and two weekends in Bira.
Thai's events will take place with HKAA(HTCC,Roadsport)

[FastisSlow]

Thanks for the update Monkey Head.

Anyway, It makes me wonder which Teams would be brave enough to send their cars at Bira for 2 months in a country where political stability is as fragile as the US car market...

Is there any entry list yet or do we face the prospect of 6 cars on the grid ?

Lam Pak : you seem to understand the forum quite well so it would be nice if we could understand you too. follow sequbox advice and get a good translator, google translate is not bad...

[brucelok2003]

I would ask something off the track : Is it possible to combine the Asian F-Renault 2.0 and F-Renault Asia 2.0 this year? cuz there maybe only 6 cars (predicted) to join the FR Asia 2.0.

And Is it possible to ask the F-Renault team to join F-BMW instead?

[META4]

Originally Posted by brucejouanny

And Is it possible to ask the F-Renault team to join F-BMW instead?

Who would ask them?... anyway in facts it is pretty much done Already with ART and Champ having already some cars

Regarding Entry List, i hear that Yuki Iwasaki racing for DTM in FR2.0 Asia in 2008 will be racing in Japanese Formula 3 National Class, so it will be probably one car less on the grid

[FastisSlow]

Politics are the main reason of the split between the two series, rtff.

Apparently making sure that organizers keep races entries below 10 is a sure way to make mediocre drivers shine. And, as they won't be able to do anything good in Europe and elsewhere they can surely stay within regional organizations where their precious rmb will be spent for the good of the nation or laundered within the family.

Only way for a young driver today to join a real motorsport entity where he can have a prospect of evolving later(not through V6 asia or asian F3 for sure) is through F.BMW. Sad to say when you have tens of F.Renault sitting in Zhuhai...
Unfortunately the price of bmw is much higher than renault and it's not only due to the maintenance and entry fees... but mostly because there is no proper competition between the series...

By the way "brucejouanny", your nickname is confusing as it's the name of a still active driver, couldn't you be a bit more creative ?

[Lam Pak]

fbmw got hence cause formula renault got deeply down on frd and afos combat. before formula renault was better than formula bmw in asia. people say afos rise a formula renault championship to help formula bmw to be greatest. frd will rise the numbers again in formula renault asia. teams needs time to get his reads down, which can only happen with game minutes. ptrs, champ, ghiasport and asia racing team are back. lists with 20 cars are now possible again. asia need a good formula renault championship. many cars again. not all asia driver can afford formula bmw. only time will tell what will come of this.

[Monkey Head]

Originally Posted by brucejouanny

I would ask something off the track : Is it possible to combine the Asian F-Renault 2.0 and F-Renault Asia 2.0 this year? cuz there maybe only 6 cars (predicted) to join the FR Asia 2.0.

And Is it possible to ask the F-Renault team to join F-BMW instead?

Everythings are commerical decision of teams.That's all

[META4]

Originally Posted by FastisSlow

By the way "brucejouanny", your nickname is confusing as it's the name of a still active driver, couldn't you be a bit more creative ?

Even more you know that Bruce Jouanny is linked with Meritus Racing... probably not a hasard if he is asking "And Is it possible to ask the F-Renault team to join F-BMW instead?"

[Sun 1]

Lam pak is right,,,,the word is on the street that all Zhuhai teams will stick to FRD and this including art. So appart from M3, who is linked to afos ,( so that they can cheat easily) I do not see who will go.....

[META4]

what about the "gentlemens" from Modena Motorsports?

[Sun 1]

I forgot.....according to the rumors..they will go afos/m3...
Great challenge for the young guns of m3 to race race against those gent's!!!!

[META4]

yes... if they do not change their mind in the meantime and if FR2.0 happens in 2009, seems like FRD is getting a bit more on its way

[Lam Pak]

rumour is modena motorsports gonna stumbling gt3 asia and frd clio cup. nomore formula renault for brothers chen.