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13 Oct 2002, 20:23 (Ref:403134)
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Pay-Drivers
Why is it that pay-drivers are bad?
By bad I mean Alex Yoong or Tarso Marques bad. We're talking DNQ or P20 on the starting grid. There are some exceptions, so I'm not saying that all pay-drivers are bad. I don't think it's fair to the good drivers that the bad ones buy their way into F1. Alex Yoong and Tarso Marques are prime examples of wasted space. |
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13 Oct 2002, 21:11 (Ref:403169)
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Re: Pay-Drivers
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Driver A is a UPS driving School reject but has gobs of cash from daddy's chain of Nail Salons in Patagonia. Driver B wiped the floor with the competition in the World Slot Car Championship but cannot string two coherent words together for an interview and borrows five dollars for a cab ride to the track. Hence, Team Boss, aching to add more brass fittings to his rubber ducky, signs driver A and announces in a "World Exclusive!" interview in IF1 Farcing Magazine that Team Cuticle Maggot-Studebaker is close to achieving its goal of 13th place in the World Championship. |
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13 Oct 2002, 21:37 (Ref:403191)
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True, small teams like Minardi are dependent
on pay-drivers for financial support. Your signature is so funny. Minardi needs every cent of Malaysian moolah it can get, just like Alain Prost needed Argy-Bargy G to tha M's PSN sponsorship money. Prost fired G to tha M for not being good enough. |
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13 Oct 2002, 21:44 (Ref:403197)
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Plus, I read in some racing magazines that
G to tha M has limited English proficiency and that PSN wanted a Latino Espagniolie. Eeeee! Geet owt uhf thee weee beefooor Igh rooon yoooo oooohhferrrr! |
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13 Oct 2002, 21:56 (Ref:403207)
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Jean Denis Deletraz makes Yoong and Marques look like Senna and Prost. Had the 107% rule been around in 1994 and 1995, Deletraz would never have started a grand prix.
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13 Oct 2002, 22:05 (Ref:403213)
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You are so right. The 107% qualifying rule
does serve a purpose-keeping JDD and others like him off the grid. Only 107% came two or three years too late. |
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14 Oct 2002, 00:01 (Ref:403295)
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Pay-drivers are a rarity (thank god!) nowadays because teams want drivers who do have cash, but they've also got to be quick. The likes of Deletraz will thankfully never be seen again.
I mean, Yoong was slow but at least he qualified most of the time and basically kept out of the way. |
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14 Oct 2002, 00:06 (Ref:403301)
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Renta drivers have been around since racing started,yep its sad to see some guy trailing the feild in an top car just because Dad owns a chain of supermarkets or is the local importer of Malbaro fags.Only one who ever acheived much was Niki Lauda,he bought his first drive for around 30,000 pounds.
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14 Oct 2002, 00:21 (Ref:403309)
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Did'nt Michael pay for his 1st drive with Jordan?
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14 Oct 2002, 04:23 (Ref:403415)
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14 Oct 2002, 04:26 (Ref:403416)
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Well, the contracts between Minardi and the Malasian sponsors have already been renewed, but Yoong does'nt have to race anymore for Minardi to get payed.
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14 Oct 2002, 04:27 (Ref:403417)
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The pay driver allows the real driver a chance to race. |
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14 Oct 2002, 04:39 (Ref:403421)
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I fully agree Wrex, if it weren't for Alex's connections, Minardi would have been history and Mark Webbre would not have gotten his start in F1. So we can than God for small mercies, and not rubbish Alex. Half the time, he had to contend with a very uncompetitive car anyway. I have said many times before, as long as Alex managed to get within 107% of the pole time, then he deserves his place in the team.
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14 Oct 2002, 08:01 (Ref:403525)
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In fact Frentzen got the drive in 1994, after Lehto switched to Benetton (and what a disaster that was). Rather than Frentzen, Suaber used the great forgotten man, Karl Wendlinger, who battled with Frentzen and Schumacher in the Formula 3 and Mercedes Sportscars days.
Frentzen was very lucky to get into F1. He was rescued from the backwaters of Japanese F3000 by sauber, from a drive he didn't do well in, and only got when Volker Wiedler had to quit for medical reasons. He's done well enough once he got in though, Lauda and Hunt also got where they were due to having money. |
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14 Oct 2002, 08:18 (Ref:403532)
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there is 2 types of pay drivers.....
one that is talented that needs a bubget because their going into a team without much finances...ie TGF Jordan 91 and drivers like Yoong ,that are good driver4s in their own right, but not really F1 material that wouldnt have got to F1 , unless they had major backing from someone to pay for the trip in to F1 ... |
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14 Oct 2002, 09:10 (Ref:403572)
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All F1 drivers had to pay for their drive in some way at some point during their career, whether it be their money or somebody elses. The situation at Minardi, with Yoong sponsoring Webber, is repeated throughout racing, form karts to Formula ford and beyond.
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14 Oct 2002, 09:11 (Ref:403575)
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If Marques was so bad why did Roger Penske pick him for his Indycar team a few seasons back? Tarso is extremely good but penniless.
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14 Oct 2002, 11:41 (Ref:403697)
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Good but not good enough for F1. I think that's what we mean when we call them ****.
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14 Oct 2002, 21:05 (Ref:404227)
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I don't think Alex's that bad, he managed to stay in front of Mark Webber for 11 laps before he spun, without power steering, the car was very heavy and difficult to drive because of the down force generated was very high.
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14 Oct 2002, 21:18 (Ref:404238)
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Arrows did'nt have powersteering during the 2000 season and the first part of the 2001 season,Prost also did'nt have power steering, I never heard any of the drivers spinning of because they did'nt have it.
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14 Oct 2002, 21:51 (Ref:404275)
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Even Senna had to have a good sponsorship backing to start off his F1 career.
I think his father payed the majority of that amount thingy. |
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14 Oct 2002, 21:52 (Ref:404277)
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BTW power steering is for sissys, only usefull in series like the WRC
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15 Oct 2002, 02:37 (Ref:404407)
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15 Oct 2002, 09:40 (Ref:404602)
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a) Marques wasn't a pay driver, if anyone was then Alonso was.
b) Marques wasn't particularly bad. He struggled in a car made for Alonso, being given the developments much later than Alonso and never being allowed as much time for testing and development. In the latest F1 Racing Alonso says that he feels that Marques is a very good driver, whom he learned a lot from. |
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15 Oct 2002, 11:34 (Ref:404735)
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Steve didn't mention Jos, but the implication was clear- Jos' efforts were more impressive, because he had no power steering at first. He's as one-track in his posts as Rush1, the guy who always flamebaits on the CART page and hyped the IRL relentlessly
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