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Old 18 Sep 2017, 14:36 (Ref:3768275)   #16
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I found the race be pretty entertaining. Watching pagenaud pull off the four stop strategy was fun. He may not have won the championship but he showed he is a worthy champion. I hope he gets another one or two. I've been a fan of his since his p2 Acura days.

Newgarden is gonna be a force. I especially enjoy his honesty in interviews. He will admit to thinking about things others will pretend not to, like the championship instead of "100% focused on the race" blandness. It looked cheesy when he came out with the American flag, and I thought it was great that he apologized for it and basically told us it was a marketing thing, and that they handed it to him backstage. Makes him more real or something. Him and pagenaud trading titles for a while works for me.

Also good to see there wasn't any bad blood from the chicagoland incident.
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Old 18 Sep 2017, 15:06 (Ref:3768283)   #17
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It wasn't the most scintillating race and last year's wasn't much different. It's a bit of a shame considering it was the season finale and several drivers were in contention for the championship. Hopefully the IR-15 will produce even better, closer racing.

Overall, I thought it was a very good season and an eventful one. If there was an outstanding moment, I think it was seeing Alonso during the Rookie Orientation Program.

Now we have the long off season. I personally think Mark Miles shouldn't be so scared of the NFL and try and extend the season into October and start the season at the beginning of March. However, this year the teams will be busy as they receive their IR-15s and I'm really looking forward to seeing it race next season.
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Old 18 Sep 2017, 15:23 (Ref:3768290)   #18
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Newgarden proved me wrong, and had a clean race to win the championship. Congratulations!
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I found the race be pretty entertaining. Watching pagenaud pull off the four stop strategy was fun. He may not have won the championship but he showed he is a worthy champion. I hope he gets another one or two. I've been a fan of his since his p2 Acura days.

Newgarden is gonna be a force. I especially enjoy his honesty in interviews. He will admit to thinking about things others will pretend not to, like the championship instead of "100% focused on the race" blandness. It looked cheesy when he came out with the American flag, and I thought it was great that he apologized for it and basically told us it was a marketing thing, and that they handed it to him backstage. Makes him more real or something. Him and pagenaud trading titles for a while works for me.

Also good to see there wasn't any bad blood from the chicagoland incident.
I've liked Simon from his P2 days as well;took me some time to warm to him for I hope an obvious reason...he's been one of my favs for some time now and I'd hoped to see him at PLM.

Agreed, his strategy made for a bit more interesting race, but I'm fine with American Flags, unless it's Brad Keso

And I think you meant Gateway rather than Chicago.

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It wasn't the most scintillating race and last year's wasn't much different. It's a bit of a shame considering it was the season finale and several drivers were in contention for the championship. Hopefully the IR-15 will produce even better, closer racing.
The last race should be on an oval, imho.

And this is the kind of track Sonoma is. It's quick, hard to pass, but usually has it's fair share of incidents. I like clean races, for the most, but other than the championship element, there were few talking points.
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Old 18 Sep 2017, 17:00 (Ref:3768322)   #20
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Well done Newgarden. Only have Freeview, so haven't really been able to keep up with this season's Indycar, but no doubt he deserves it
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The race kind of ran like a mini Le Mans (Petit Le Mans? Hmm, I wonder if that's been taken), the wheel to wheel action wasn't there from start to finish as some IndyCar fans are crying for in a finale... but the strategy race was thoroughly entertaining, and even as I flipped back and forth between that and an utterly depressing Cowboys game, I enjoyed the fight that played out between Pags and Newy.

The best part of Sonoma for me, was knowing that new bodywork will be on the cars at the next race.

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It wasn't the most scintillating race and last year's wasn't much different. It's a bit of a shame considering it was the season finale and several drivers were in contention for the championship. Hopefully the IR-15 will produce even better, closer racing.

Overall, I thought it was a very good season and an eventful one. If there was an outstanding moment, I think it was seeing Alonso during the Rookie Orientation Program.

Now we have the long off season. I personally think Mark Miles shouldn't be so scared of the NFL and try and extend the season into October and start the season at the beginning of March. However, this year the teams will be busy as they receive their IR-15s and I'm really looking forward to seeing it race next season.

I think a better strategy than extending the season into fall is to open it in January or early February. Could make that a "fly away" section of the schedule if the events and finances work. Racing is dead in January and early February and everyone is jonesing for their fix, and Indycar could be the biggest series running at that timeframe.
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I think a better strategy than extending the season into fall is to open it in January or early February. Could make that a "fly away" section of the schedule if the events and finances work. Racing is dead in January and early February and everyone is jonesing for their fix, and Indycar could be the biggest series running at that timeframe.
The problem with January or February is the NFL. That's when the play offs and Super Bowl take place. Maybe from the middle of February on wards, with a fly away but who would host it?
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The problem with January or February is the NFL. That's when the play offs and Super Bowl take place. Maybe from the middle of February on wards, with a fly away but who would host it?
Australia, so long as they're willing to forgive us having taking away a well sponsored, well promoted, well attended race.

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It's the NFL, but also, the Rolex 24 at Daytona, which several IndyCar drivers/teams take part in.

Sonoma isn't that quick for a road course. Pole was in the 113-mph bracket. Road America and Watkins Glen are over 140 mph. Next quickest permanent road course in IndyCar is Barber, with a record in the 124-mph bracket. Next quickest road course/temporary circuit, is Belle Isle. (Yes, Belle Isle is faster than the layout of Sears Point that IndyCar currenty uses; I'll just let that sink in for you.)

If they ran the 2.520-mile layout at Sears Point, I'd expect the Pole to be not in the 1:15s, but in the 1:09s. The wider entry to Turn 7 would aid overtaking there, and they'd actually have a long enough run into Turn 11 to do something there. With a more open Turn 7 and 11, cars would stay closer together on the subsequent high-speed sections, allowing more overtaking at Turns 11 and 2.

I think a good road course could reasonably hold the season finale, but Sears Point, in the form they're using it in now, is not that course. If they're going to do an oval finale, it needs to be in October, at Fontana, when sunset is early enough that they actually get some night running in before midnight on the East Coast.

And I'm concerned that the racing may get worse at Barber and Sears Point with the new aero. Being able to maintain high speeds with that downforce reduces the expansions in the physical gaps between cars. Now, in some cases, it will also reduce the shrinkage in the physcial gaps as well, but going into a really slow corner, if you're right up the leader's tail, you're going to have to give up time to not run into him, so the gap coming off that corner will grow even more.

Now, I think Road America and Watkins Glen will be fine. It might help overtaking in some places at Mid Ohio, though it might hinder overtaking there at some less conventional spots. The main place it might help, I think, are the street circuits.

As for ovals, watching the CART races at Phoenix or Nazareth, unless you have guys running 10+ mph off the pace, you won't get the disparities in traffic that lead to those wild passes for position we used to see. And let's face it, a team that is running that slow isn't going to last for very long.

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What a finale! Congrats Mr. Newgarden!
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The problem with January or February is the NFL. That's when the play offs and Super Bowl take place. Maybe from the middle of February on wards, with a fly away but who would host it?
Well, extending the calendar later in the year means competing with NFL and other motorsports. By January, college football is mostly done, and if the NFL is that scary, start the year with some Saturday races. At least then you're only competing with the NFL, not the NFL plus other motorsports.

Hell, schedule those races in place like new Orleans, and Florida, where the local NFL teams seasons are long done by then anyway.
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I've got nothing against having the schedule run later into Autumn. It's a bigger hurdle to have it trying to start fresh against the NFL reaching a fever-pitch heading to the Super Bowl.

Even I am not automatically keen on more street circuits right now, and where else is IndyCar going to run down there that time of year? Unless things have changed, we learned NOLA can't be counted on the pay all the relevant parties. Also, Homestead is a high-banked, 1.5-mile oval at least as prone to the hazards of pack racing as Texas, perhaps even more so. In addition, the last two iterations of Miami (2002, 2003) and the 1991 version of the New Orleans street circuit were especially bad, even among street circuits. The 1992-95 New Orleans course was better, but not great, and the smaller loop of it was still fairly tight and fiddly.
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Well, extending the calendar later in the year means competing with NFL and other motorsports. By January, college football is mostly done, and if the NFL is that scary, start the year with some Saturday races. At least then you're only competing with the NFL, not the NFL plus other motorsports.

Hell, schedule those races in place like new Orleans, and Florida, where the local NFL teams seasons are long done by then anyway.
If the calendar were extended to the first weekend of October, that's only week 5 of an 18 week NFL season. As for competing with other motorsport series, I don't see that as an issue. I think motorsports fans would relish it, I know I certainly would.

New Orleans didn't work out too well last time and there's no guarantee the Saints, Dolphins or Buccaneers won't make the playoffs. If St. Pete could be moved to the beginning of March, rather than the middle, I think that would make a difference.
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