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Old 7 Oct 2017, 03:02 (Ref:3772404)   #316
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I guess the overall point here is that GT cars could obtain a speed of x, but only obtain a speed of y because of the regulations. We can dream of a scenario where cars go faster, but in modern racing, making a car go faster is not relavent. Making cars equal in their class is what matters. Wrong or right, that is what we have.
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Old 7 Oct 2017, 08:32 (Ref:3772432)   #317
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I guess the overall point here is that GT cars could obtain a speed of x, but only obtain a speed of y because of the regulations. We can dream of a scenario where cars go faster, but in modern racing, making a car go faster is not relavent. Making cars equal in their class is what matters. Wrong or right, that is what we have.
Considering that next year lmpc class will be finally dismissed for good and that very likely lmp2/dpi will be at least 1 second faster; it wouldn't be a complete stupid idea to give more power to gtlm at all.
600hp maybe is too much, a range of 550hp could be more reasonable.
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Old 10 Oct 2017, 05:57 (Ref:3773347)   #318
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Easily achievable for turbo cars (bmw, ferrari, ford, next vantage) with a huge fuel tank boost to keep the actual 65min window.
Corvette could achieve that too without increase displacement.

No way for porsche motor, who already struggle to hit 510hp @10000rpm
Does the 991 RSR really rev to 10k?

Also, iirc Manthey came clsoe to 600 hp in their 4.3 and 4.4 variants in the 997 RSR

But I wouldn't mind seeing Porsche to switch to a twin turbo engine. Maybe even "just" the 3.0 engine from the Carrera, which is what the car is homologated on
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Old 10 Oct 2017, 07:38 (Ref:3773355)   #319
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Does the 991 RSR really rev to 10k?

Also, iirc Manthey came clsoe to 600 hp in their 4.3 and 4.4 variants in the 997 RSR

But I wouldn't mind seeing Porsche to switch to a twin turbo engine. Maybe even "just" the 3.0 engine from the Carrera, which is what the car is homologated on
according to this long telemetry on board at le mans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OBhQegFhzY

the upshift is almost always at 9000rpm, but more than once the engine keeps on revving higher even further than that.
991 GT3R has a mandatory revlimit to 9500rpm too.

porsche gtlm is a mere MR car now, they can't say no more that there is no room for turbos there.
I hope they will fit the 3.8 twin turbo from the new gt2 rs
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Old 10 Oct 2017, 17:39 (Ref:3773476)   #320
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Considering that next year lmpc class will be finally dismissed for good and that very likely lmp2/dpi will be at least 1 second faster; it wouldn't be a complete stupid idea to give more power to gtlm at all.
600hp maybe is too much, a range of 550hp could be more reasonable.
Agreed more horsepower for GTLM/GTE. Nothing wrong if they run laps of 3 min 46 at Le Mans and 1 min 40 at Daytona.
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Old 17 Oct 2017, 12:57 (Ref:3774661)   #321
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Auto hebdo magazine, have an interview with Pierre Fillon and talks about the future of LMP1 and the reflection of a return to prototypes aesthetically close to street hyper cars.
The cover of the magazine has a nice render of Mercedes AMG Proyect one racing in Le Mans.

https://scontent.fsst1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...9b&oe=5A8756D2
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Old 17 Oct 2017, 13:37 (Ref:3774665)   #322
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Now that I dig!

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Now that I dig!
Something like this can gain traction and help bring an end of the big honking fin era.
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Old 17 Oct 2017, 15:34 (Ref:3774679)   #324
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I don't think the fin will go away on prototypes. The ACO and FIA pushed for it, and with the sidepods and other bodywork being what it is on LMP cars now, teams like it for advertising purposes.
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I don't think the fin will go away on prototypes. The ACO and FIA pushed for it, and with the sidepods and other bodywork being what it is on LMP cars now, teams like it for advertising purposes.
The Mercedes AMG Project One has a small fin.
https://www.mercedes-benz.com/wp-con...0-1280x720.jpg
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Auto hebdo magazine, have an interview with Pierre Fillon and talks about the future of LMP1 and the reflection of a return to prototypes aesthetically close to street hyper cars.
The cover of the magazine has a nice render of Mercedes AMG Proyect one racing in Le Mans.

https://scontent.fsst1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...9b&oe=5A8756D2
Sounds like a great idea to me.
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Sounds like a great idea to me.
Yes, I like the idea too.
Maybe it is the result of the survey.
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Yes, I like the idea too.
Maybe it is the result of the survey.
For the topic of this thread, it does make me wonder how the current GTE teams would react to a GTish top prototype class. Would some of them step up and ignore their GTE programs or do a program in addition?
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For the topic of this thread, it does make me wonder how the current GTE teams would react to a GTish top prototype class. Would some of them step up and ignore their GTE programs or do a program in addition?
Very good question. I guess it depends of the cost, how free will the rules be and if they are going to apply some kind of BOP.
LMP1 just fell by the explosion of the costs and the same thing happened at the end of 90's, I have the feeling that the ACO will take its precautions this time.
if this GTish top prototype class happens, perhaps the most logical would be that the GTE transform into these GT1 or GTP rules and GTE-AM use GT3 cars.
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Good way to ruin 2 classes! One of which has been pretty FRAKKING good for 15-ish years.







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