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12 Jan 2002, 04:00 (Ref:197377) | #1 | ||
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Peter Brock In Top 20
In the January 3rd edition of Autosport magazine Peter Brock has been named 14th most exciting Driver ever and the only Aussie on the list. He is ahead of names like Stirling Moss, Stefan Bellof and Juan Pablo Montoya. Oh by the way the most exciting driver of all time is of course Gille Villeneuve.
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12 Jan 2002, 06:41 (Ref:197434) | #2 | ||
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I don't know if I would consider him to be all that exciting (Ray?), dominant maybe. I's say a bloke like Wakefield would be exciting...
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12 Jan 2002, 07:49 (Ref:197445) | #3 | ||
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Crash,
Please... not more of this Wollongong Wiz stuff. This guy is known to his Mum, you and some other Queenslander, whose name know escapes me! As for Brock, where is Brock's Spin Master? Que Ray Quick! |
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12 Jan 2002, 10:29 (Ref:197469) | #4 | ||
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Your right crash that wakefield is an exciting driver to watch but I still dont think that he could come close to Brockie in his hey day for the edge of your pants driving that has rightly put peter in the top 20 I say go Brockie what an honor.
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12 Jan 2002, 22:04 (Ref:197662) | #5 | ||
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Well said Bradstar
How can anyone put Wakefield and Brock in the same sentance, Brock could still run rings around him today well done Peter, you are a LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!! I remember Brock racing at Baskerville with the drivers door hanging open on the B&D Auto's L34 for about 5 laps before pitting to have a belt put round it, He used that great one handed driving style using the other to try and hold the door shut. |
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13 Jan 2002, 01:01 (Ref:197775) | #6 | ||
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yep I agree , brocky was very exciting to watch , just his character meant that he was great to watch , all the arm waving and the occasional explosion of rage in the pits was just brilliant.
thanks for the memories Peter |
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13 Jan 2002, 07:59 (Ref:197846) | #7 | ||
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Brock would just jump in any car and adapt one of his 78 different driving styles to match the car and its current condition ... not like the engineer/drivers of today with their chassis tuning talents.
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13 Jan 2002, 10:50 (Ref:197892) | #8 | ||
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I never thought Brockie was exciting to watch, very impressive for sure, but I thought he was much to neat and tidy to be exciting.
As for all the Wakefield bashing, can anybody name an instance, ever, when someone even matched let alone beat Wayne in the same car? Moff, my name escapes you? Gees mate, i'm hurt. |
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13 Jan 2002, 11:30 (Ref:197920) | #9 | ||
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My sentiments exactly...
Is Brock in the same class as Villeneuve? In fact, are many people at all in the same class as him? |
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There has to be a reason behind not having that so-called 'elusive' contract/drive. What is it? |
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Maybe it was small stakes, but in a class where races were usually won by a car's length, he pulled a hundred yards on the first lap and consolidated his lead from there... in a car that never won before, IIRC. I believe Wayne has the talent and could have the marketability justify the opportunity, but what driver, on being asked his opinion by his team owner, is going to say "Yeah, he's great!" when the guy is clearly going to drive rings around him? I'll bet that behind the scenes there is a lot of talk about how he's going to have a 'big one' one day... yet the record speaks for itself, it's not on his CV at all. All that you find there is a bunch of miracle drives in cars that woundn't get halfway up the grid in most other hands. |
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13 Jan 2002, 20:41 (Ref:198189) | #12 | ||
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Ray,
I don't dispute he has the talent - I have met him, talked to him and he is a very down to earth bloke. But I still want to know *why*, with such an obvious talent, he hasn't been snapped up by a V8 team. What's the problem? Doesn't he want to drive for a team (I find that hard to believe), is he asking too much, is there an ego coming out during negotiations that isn't apparent anywhere else? There has to be a reason for his 'non-appearance'. |
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13 Jan 2002, 22:33 (Ref:198272) | #13 | ||
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I've said it before and I'llsay it again- it all comes down to money.
In 1998 he would have had the Ellery HYL drive, but he didn't have the money. In 1999 he would have had the drive for Charles Ryman, but once the two freeby meetings finished, and money was asked of, he couldn't provide. Same deal with John Trimbole in 1999- he was asked to provide $20,000 a sprint round- money that isn't there. His first ever paid drive was at Bathurst last year, and he did less than 20 laps for the entire week. There is apparently a chance that he could be running in a SBR car in the Konica series, but the asking price for that is $35,000 a round. Other than that, it looks like he might line up for the first round in his old VS, and the team will take it from there. |
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13 Jan 2002, 22:58 (Ref:198293) | #14 | ||
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That still isn't the answer. If he was a second rate driver with little or no talent then a pay-to-drive option could be cited as the reason.
However, he is NOT one of these and has a talent - enough that even if he DID have to pay for a drive, he *should* be able to get a sponsor - even for $35,000. But he hasn't - why? Not trying to find a sponsor? I can't believe, for the sake of a discussion, that Briggs or SBR haven't considered him. Yet he still doesn't have a drive - why not? |
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13 Jan 2002, 23:12 (Ref:198302) | #15 | ||
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He didn't drive a Formula Ford? It seems if you've driven one of those you're in.... except if your name is Will Power.
He's also been very unlucky with sponsors in the past. Graphic Skills has been the shining light- they've been fantastic, but the GST knocked the wind out of their sails like it did for most other companies. Ever wonder why his team had a special shade of green paint made especially for their car? Could a massive deal have fallen through? Also remember that he has a rather large fan club that puts a fair bit of cash into his racing- how many other drivers can boast that? Then there is always the team owners who are scared that he is going to blow up, implode, destroy their cars... yet they'd let some FFord drop kick go out there and do their equipment a massive disservice. WW can drive very smoothly and smartly- look at the Konica race at Lakeside this year- he was the smoothest out of all of the front runners, and that gave him to speed to stick it to the VTs in a car that dates back to 96/97. |
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13 Jan 2002, 23:27 (Ref:198311) | #17 | ||
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He didn't have to drive a Formula Ford (or any other formula) to show talent.
This is my point - he *has* shown he has a talent to drive - but for whatever reason, no one who could has picked him up. |
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13 Jan 2002, 23:36 (Ref:198315) | #18 | ||
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But you agree that they should have?
They're missing out? |
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13 Jan 2002, 23:45 (Ref:198319) | #19 | ||
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I've never said or disputed that he shouldn't have a drive.
What I am questioning, however, is *why* he doesn't have that drive. There has to be a more solid or deeper answer than 'he doesn't have the personal sponsorship'. That just doesn'y cut it, I'm sorry. he has a talent but is being overlooked. Is it Wayne? (I can't believe that to be honest) Or is it the people around him? I've known more than one driver to have a career stuffed up because of the 'minders' that are supposedly 'looking after him' |
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14 Jan 2002, 00:08 (Ref:198328) | #20 | ||
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I think you've just hit the nail on the head... "he's not the only driver..."
Plenty of top drivers miss out on a drive, sink into oblivion... |
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14 Jan 2002, 00:28 (Ref:198333) | #21 | ||
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Agreed - however, the majority of these other drivers don't have such an obvious driving talent.
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14 Jan 2002, 07:54 (Ref:198402) | #22 | ||
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David Skillender (Graphic Skills) raced for many years, but has basically given up so that he could see Wayne drive his car in V8s, and Phil Laird is a genius- he has screwed together some fantastic cars before from scraps. So I don't think it is the people around him in that respect.
"He didn't have to drive a Formula Ford (or any other formula)to show talent." - That's right, but if he went off and won FFord, Holden would have stuffed him into something bigger quick smart. He scares a lot of team owners- gees, I must admit I've shat several bricks in my time at the kink at Lakeside. I'll never walking back along the bottom (on top of the concrete wall) of the hill on the inside of the track (on the outside of the kink) at the start of a private test session. Wayne was shaking down a brand spanking new car, and on his first flying lap through the kink, he came through with about 2 armfulls of lock- but he never ever blinked off the accelerator. I don't know if that is the sort of thing a Jeff Grech or Dick Johnson could cope with- but that is Wayne... |
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14 Jan 2002, 10:03 (Ref:198434) | #23 | |
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Great to see Brock get a bit of international recognition.
I would have thought that Smokin' Jo Winkelhock should have been included. And what about Yvan Muller...his sideways driving style is spectacular! Especially in uncompetitive cars. But well done to Brock. |
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