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Old 29 Sep 2016, 19:54 (Ref:3676001)   #1
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I see a few renders have been released today of the various 2017 cars, I suppose the Toyota will look beautiful if it's fast.
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Old 29 Sep 2016, 20:01 (Ref:3676002)   #2
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This shot reminds me of the Hyundai Accent WRC:
http://nl.motorsport.com/wrc/photo/m...d=10851254&i=5
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Old 29 Sep 2016, 20:08 (Ref:3676004)   #3
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I hope the Yaris goes better than it looks.....looks like a toy car.
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Old 29 Sep 2016, 20:10 (Ref:3676005)   #4
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Looks better than the Hyundai.

The Yaris WRC is the new MG Metro 6R4.
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Old 29 Sep 2016, 20:28 (Ref:3676006)   #5
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I really don't like that only factory teams are allowed to drive cars build by the new 2017 rules. I believe all entries should be allowed to use the same rules and conditions. And what are they afraid off? Old cars beating new ones?
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Old 29 Sep 2016, 22:46 (Ref:3676022)   #6
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I really don't like that only factory teams are allowed to drive cars build by the new 2017 rules. I believe all entries should be allowed to use the same rules and conditions. And what are they afraid off? Old cars beating new ones?
Not sure but I think it was because the newer cars are so fast so they decided that only professional drivers should compete with them.

However, the older cars will still be allowed to compete so I guess privateers can enter with those cars?
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Old 30 Sep 2016, 08:17 (Ref:3676071)   #7
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Looks better than the Hyundai.

The Yaris WRC is the new MG Metro 6R4.
I prefer the Hyundai to the Toyota - the Yaris looks awful (far worse than a 6R4!)
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Old 30 Sep 2016, 08:39 (Ref:3676077)   #8
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Have to admit, you look at that Citroen and you think, is this WTCC all over again! All that budget going into two cars! I think them and Hyundai have come up with a similar concept, a longer than current, low, wide car. Whereas the Toyota looks just like a current car, small, boxy and short wheelbase. Looks like the Suzuki SX4 and that looked wrong from the start, too short and small.

Therefore I am thinking 2017 is a learning year for Toyota, the car looks wrong, and I think they will do the same as they did in F1, start with a base car, nothing flash, prove the mechanicals and the concept, then build a proper car and get in some decent drivers.
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Old 30 Sep 2016, 10:25 (Ref:3676101)   #9
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Have to admit, you look at that Citroen and you think, is this WTCC all over again! All that budget going into two cars!
To some extent it is worrying - but then I suspect VW are spending just as much so there should at least be some competition.


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I think them and Hyundai have come up with a similar concept, a longer than current, low, wide car. Whereas the Toyota looks just like a current car, small, boxy and short wheelbase. Looks like the Suzuki SX4 and that looked wrong from the start, too short and small.

Therefore I am thinking 2017 is a learning year for Toyota, the car looks wrong, and I think they will do the same as they did in F1, start with a base car, nothing flash, prove the mechanicals and the concept, then build a proper car and get in some decent drivers.
The Toyota looks like it's from a different class doesn't it? Can Toyota afford a 'learning year'? I thought they'd been hacking the Yaris around this year so they could hit the ground running next year. Drivers look to be a problem though - the big names have all said no.
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Old 30 Sep 2016, 13:22 (Ref:3676118)   #10
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I would imagine Bert that you cant just come in and hit it straightaway withotu spending gazillions as VW did.

They were certainly testing a lot, and most teams when they come in take some time, Hyundry certainly did.

I thnk only really Citroen and VW in the past ahve come in and dominated off the bet, and that is highly likely to do with budget, testing mileage and money.
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Well hopefully the competition will be even better next year, hope the Toyota's hard work pays off
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I would imagine Bert that you cant just come in and hit it straightaway withotu spending gazillions as VW did.
True - I can't imagine Toyota are spending peanuts though - of the works teams I'd guess Hyundai has the smallest budget.


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I thnk only really Citroen and VW in the past ahve come in and dominated off the bet, and that is highly likely to do with budget, testing mileage and money.
Citroen had a toe in the water with the Xsara kit car before they went for the full blown WR car and VW of course ran Fabias for a year so neither was coming in cold. I think Toyota may struggle initially.
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An don't forget that Toyota back basically wasted about 18 months when they originally started testing the Yaris. TMG had Lindholm & Sarrazin doing all the testing, on gravel and Tarmac...

Then for some unknown reason Akio Toyoda moved the programme from Cologne, and gave it to Tommi - whose team had never run a serious programme before. Which I still find bizarre....and with the result that it turned into a mainly Finnish team....as they struggled to get people to come and work in Finland. So they are playing 'catch up'.

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Have to admit, you look at that Citroen and you think, is this WTCC all over again! All that budget going into two cars! I think them and Hyundai have come up with a similar concept, a longer than current, low, wide car. Whereas the Toyota looks just like a current car, small, boxy and short wheelbase. Looks like the Suzuki SX4 and that looked wrong from the start, too short and small.

Therefore I am thinking 2017 is a learning year for Toyota, the car looks wrong, and I think they will do the same as they did in F1, start with a base car, nothing flash, prove the mechanicals and the concept, then build a proper car and get in some decent drivers.
Interesting thoughts chunder, I tend to agree. I joked a while back that the cars are getting smaller and smaller and that it would get to a point in time where we would struggle to distinguish the real ones from their radio-controlled racing versions. The Toyota is already there in that respect.

Maybe they will come out and surprise everyone with their pace especially on tarmac. Let's wait and see.
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An don't forget that Toyota back basically wasted about 18 months when they originally started testing the Yaris. TMG had Lindholm & Sarrazin doing all the testing, on gravel and Tarmac...

Then for some unknown reason Akio Toyoda moved the programme from Cologne, and gave it to Tommi - whose team had never run a serious programme before. Which I still find bizarre....and with the result that it turned into a mainly Finnish team....
Maybe he felt Cologne handling the WEC car development and racing activities and a full-on WRC program would be a bit much given that the former is quite an intensive program.
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