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MoMedic9019 · 26 Oct 2016, 11:14 (Ref:3682970)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

I see Murphy didn't make Estoril. any word on the Riley LMP3 for 2017? Wasn't Murphy the distributor?

It's yet to be homologated. There were changes they wanted to make to get it into a more competitve form.

Speed-King · 26 Oct 2016, 15:44 (Ref:3683070)

New prototype sprint series for France:
http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/la-...m-p3-des-2017/

Who thought that would be a good idea? I really hope that won't torpedo the rebuilding effort that's going on for French GT right now.

Pontlieue · 26 Oct 2016, 17:39 (Ref:3683117)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

New prototype sprint series for France:
http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/la-...m-p3-des-2017/

Who thought that would be a good idea? I really hope that won't torpedo the rebuilding effort that's going on for French GT right now.

I agree, I doubt it's a good idea, as the French market seems already quite saturated with series. ELMS has a strong French component, there's VdeV for the amateurs, and as you mentioned the recovering French GT.

MaskedRacer · 30 Oct 2016, 13:15 (Ref:3684006)

I hope I get agreement that all off this worldwide expansion of LMP3 is not exactly making me happy or excited as I think it is going to really hurt GT racing by taking away privateer teams.

What I really hope does not happen is great events like Dubai or Bathurst end up allowing P3 cars in it. Those should be GT only.

Mike Hedlund · 30 Oct 2016, 17:05 (Ref:3684047)

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Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

I hope I get agreement that all off this worldwide expansion of LMP3 is not exactly making me happy or excited as I think it is going to really hurt GT racing by taking away privateer teams.

What I really hope does not happen is great events like Dubai or Bathurst end up allowing P3 cars in it. Those should be GT only.

GT racing is being hurt by the crazy escalation of costs in GT3 and GT4, not by cheaper alternate prototype classes and series becoming available.

-mike

MaskedRacer · 30 Oct 2016, 17:18 (Ref:3684052)

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Originally Posted by Mike Hedlund

GT racing is being hurt by the crazy escalation of costs in GT3 and GT4, not by cheaper alternate prototype classes and series becoming available.

-mike

I would love to hear Stefan Ratel of SRO's take on this. I would think by now he should recognize that global rise of LMP3 could be a threat to the Blancpain series.

billy bleach · 30 Oct 2016, 18:06 (Ref:3684064)

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Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

I would love to hear Stefan Ratel of SRO's take on this. I would think by now he should recognize that global rise of LMP3 could be a threat to the Blancpain series.

An LMP 3 is half the price of a 488. Spares costs are generally 40% of GT3 prices. Also they look like a real race car - so important for a Gentleman driver - plus they are generally easier for a Gentleman to drive on the drivers "limit". PLUS a chance to race at the LeMans 24 hours weekend! No brainier really.

Speed-King · 30 Oct 2016, 18:36 (Ref:3684074)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

An LMP 3 is half the price of a 488. Spares costs are generally 40% of GT3 prices. Also they look like a real race car - so important for a Gentleman driver - plus they are generally easier for a Gentleman to drive on the drivers "limit". PLUS a chance to race at the LeMans 24 hours weekend! No brainier really.

I guess it depends. The one downside is that it's really a no-name product. None of the hypothetical gentleman driver's business friends will have any idea what he's talking about when he's ranting about his Onroak-Ligier again. Different story with a Ferrari or Porsche.

Mike Hedlund · 30 Oct 2016, 19:18 (Ref:3684080)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

An LMP 3 is half the price of a 488. Spares costs are generally 40% of GT3 prices. Also they look like a real race car - so important for a Gentleman driver - plus they are generally easier for a Gentleman to drive on the drivers "limit". PLUS a chance to race at the LeMans 24 hours weekend! No brainier really.

A LMP3 car is not easier to drive (for anyone, Pro or Am) than a GT3 car.

-mike

NaBUru38 · 30 Oct 2016, 23:07 (Ref:3684132)

Dayraut makes the Mitjet Supertourisme silhouette cars. They raced together with Oreca's GT Tour.

So there's an official split, with separate calendars.

By the way, the GT4-class French GT will be run by SRO in 2017, not Oreca.

TzeiTzei · 31 Oct 2016, 05:56 (Ref:3684194)

So what is the situation with the LMP3 manufacturers? We know that Ligier keeps on winning and that they are trying to find more speed from the Riley Ave before homologating. But what about Ginetta, Adess, Norma and Dome? Ginetta have moved on? Adess have a homologated turd in their hands so they can't do anything about it and nobody wants it? Norma will show up one day? Dome will never show up? Lot's of questions.

I kind of hate the homologation rules in a situation like this. IMO there should be a period where they can start racing the car, fix some problems and improve it and then lock the homologation. Although I have to admit that I don't even know that well how the homologation process works.

Speed-King · 31 Oct 2016, 07:05 (Ref:3684200)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Dayraut makes the Mitjet Supertourisme silhouette cars. They raced together with Oreca's GT Tour.

So there's an official split, with separate calendars.

By the way, the GT4-class French GT will be run by SRO in 2017, not Oreca.

Yup, SRO gets the new Peugeot 308 Cup as a support race, and I'd think the Porsche Cup.

billy bleach · 1 Nov 2016, 06:59 (Ref:3684459)

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Originally Posted by Mike Hedlund

A LMP3 car is not easier to drive (for anyone, Pro or Am) than a GT3 car.

-mike

That is not what I said. What I meant was it is easier for a Gentleman to get close the their limit because the chassis capability of a LMP3 is that much greater

MaskedRacer · 6 Nov 2016, 14:02 (Ref:3685947)

Even AF Corse might get in LMP3 because they said that is where the customers are going. I think we are going to see a big decline in customer based GT racing in the next couple years (not factory) because of the rise of LMP3. The one thing that might keep GT racing afloat is the great enduro races like Spa, Dubai, Bathurst, etc

I hope none of those events EVER consider adding LMP3 to the race.

Mike E · 31 Dec 2016, 11:58 (Ref:3699290)

Some Norma updates. Good to see them with a few orders already.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/1...3-updates.html

**joeb** · 31 Dec 2016, 14:59 (Ref:3699306)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

Some Norma updates. Good to see them with a few orders already.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/1...3-updates.html

I like Norma and will be really happy to see this car succeed.

billy bleach · 31 Dec 2016, 16:48 (Ref:3699328)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I like Norma and will be really happy to see this car succeed.

Anyone seen the Ava Riley? Wasn't it mega fast in European testing ? People must be queuing up

**joeb** · 31 Dec 2016, 16:49 (Ref:3699329)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

Anyone seen the Ava Riley? Wasn't it mega fast in European testing ? People must be queuing up

I saw it at petit but it was just on display

billy bleach · 3 Jan 2017, 17:43 (Ref:3699957)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I saw it at petit but it was just on display

I don't get it. The franchise to manufacture must be sought after and yet nothing seems to be happening with the Riley. Wierd

FormulaFox · 3 Jan 2017, 19:23 (Ref:3699972)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

I don't get it. The franchise to manufacture must be sought after and yet nothing seems to be happening with the Riley. Wierd

It's undergoing further development. Much debate as to why has been done and needs not be retreaded, but they've delayed the homologation in order to do the development.

broadrun96 · 3 Jan 2017, 22:14 (Ref:3700003)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

It's undergoing further development. Much debate as to why has been done and needs not be retreaded, but they've delayed the homologation in order to do the development.

When would they have to be ready? Anyone looking to run one in the new PC series starting at Sebring or in Europe?

FormulaFox · 3 Jan 2017, 23:15 (Ref:3700014)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

When would they have to be ready? Anyone looking to run one in the new PC series starting at Sebring or in Europe?

I don't think the ACO's set any sort of deadline for preparation, but it's not homologated until they actually enter it in an event.

It's believed they've sold a couple cars for the PC series, but the only program we know of for certain is the one for ELMS - and if there are too many delays I could see that deal going away.

MoMedic9019 · 4 Jan 2017, 01:53 (Ref:3700027)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

I don't think the ACO's set any sort of deadline for preparation, but it's not homologated until they actually enter it in an event.

It has to be homologated prior to the event.

FormulaFox · 4 Jan 2017, 10:49 (Ref:3700093)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

It has to be homologated prior to the event.

That's actually what I meant. Really screwed up that post.

Though given the way the ACO sometimes plays fast and loose with their rules, it should surprise none of us if my little screwed up post ends up being accurate.

billy bleach · 5 Jan 2017, 13:05 (Ref:3700298)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

That's actually what I meant. Really screwed up that post.

Though given the way the ACO sometimes plays fast and loose with their rules, it should surprise none of us if my little screwed up post ends up being accurate.

Difficult to run a car on Smoke and mirrors

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