DJR gets Ford money??

[billy bigtime]

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/djr-ge...6/default.aspx

[GTRMagic]

Isnt the Triple F car a Falcon?

[Holly Wood]

Originally Posted by Speedcafe

The DJR cars competed last year without any financial support from Ford – the first time the blue oval did not back Johnson’s race team in nearly 35 years of racing.

This is very interesting and I would love to know if it's actually true.

This is claiming that money (not parts, etc) actually flowed between the factory itself (not Motorcraft, etc) and DJR through XCs, XDs, XEs, Mustangs, Sierras, EBs, EFs and so forth, right up until last year. I find that staggering.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Isnt the Triple F car a Falcon?

Implying the media is accurate......


Great news for DJR. Now to dump JC, and hire a driver that DOESN'T bin it regularly.

[retro]

[anthony81901]

Originally Posted by Holly Wood

This is very interesting and I would love to know if it's actually true.

This is claiming that money (not parts, etc) actually flowed between the factory itself (not Motorcraft, etc) and DJR through XCs, XDs, XEs, Mustangs, Sierras, EBs, EFs and so forth, right up until last year. I find that staggering.

Wasn't until the early 90s that Ford signage appeared on the DJR Sierras, with it being written that Johnson was persona non grata at Ford during the early years of Group A.

[brown dog]

I remember DJR personnel and drivers always referred to the cars as "the Shell Sierra....." and never "Ford Sierra". I always assumed from this that Ford was not supporting them while they ran the car.

[GTRMagic]

Dick Loves Ford, Ford Loves Dick

I wonder if Ford realise Mr Johnson doesnt actually operate the team on a day to day basis

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Ford Loves Dick

What a quote!

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Implying the media is accurate......


Great news for DJR. Now to dump JC, and hire a driver that DOESN'T bin it regularly.

lets try again but this time give a real answer

who? and it has to be someone who can run at the front all the time, who is good enough to get on the new v8 commercial and who can promote the sponsor well

because that what DJR want from there driver

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Dick Loves Ford, Ford Loves Dick

I wonder if Ford realise Mr Johnson doesnt actually operate the team on a day to day basis

I think maybe you shoudl re-word that to I wonder if AAP realise Mr Johnson doesnt actually operate the team on a day to day basis

according to this article Paul gover it was charlie that ford have been dealing with

But Johnson's partner in his race team, Melbourne businessman Charlie Schwerkolt, had crunch meetings with Ford at Broadmeadows last week about renewed support for the Jim Beam-sponsored outfit.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by peckstar

lets try again but this time give a real answer

who? and it has to be someone who can run at the front all the time, who is good enough to get on the new v8 commercial and who can promote the sponsor well

because that what DJR want from there driver

PM me if you really care, this thread is already off topic enough.....

[Henry]

Originally Posted by Holly Wood

This is very interesting and I would love to know if it's actually true.

This is claiming that money (not parts, etc) actually flowed between the factory itself (not Motorcraft, etc) and DJR through XCs, XDs, XEs, Mustangs, Sierras, EBs, EFs and so forth, right up until last year. I find that staggering.

Why?

Dick Johnson's switch to the Ford product was facilitated by arguably the most-motorsport-active Ford dealer in the country at that time, Bryan Byrt, who was central to the Moffat Ford Dealers arrangement in addition to his own team.

Post-Rock, Ford provided a fresh bodyshell to DJ, a black XD ESP road car, and of course matched the public telethon dollar-for-dollar... and then starting surrepticiously kicking the tin via Doug Jacobi and the Motorcraft signage seen on the car from 1981 onward. And regardless of your (not Motorcraft etc) exception above, the Motorcraft money was coming straight out of the Ford chequebook.

If one looked more closely at pictures of the Greens-Tuf XE at Bathurst in 1984, the Blue Oval was prominent on her flanks, and while Dick had requested permission (from Peter Gillitzer, through Doug Jacobi, who had close links to the small DJR team at the time) to do so, they wouldn't have gone on the car without Ford's existing financial support.

The Sierras carried Ford badging at the rear for some time (1988?), and the E-Series Falcons had very prominent Ford branding, notably in 1993, and 1994. Mind you, following the '94 Bathurst win, DJR levered a bit more out of the Ford kitty via rumours that the team were considering a switch to Holden following the announcement of a bit of Ford money for Longhurst for 1995.

From that point, until 2008, it was taken as a given that Ford were contributing something to the DJR cause, even when there seemed like there was no prospect of forthcoming results, and no real resolve to turn the losing streak around in the post-Bowe, post-DJ driver line-up days.

So yeah, it's pretty much true, and it's no secret either.

[Holly Wood]

Hey, I don't know if it's true or not, I just said I'd be very surprised if it is.

90% of what you've just written covers dealer sponsorship, panel and parts support, and Motorcraft (who had a separate marketing budget to Ford). None of that is money from Ford's bank account to DJs, which is the only thing that was lacking in 2009. That's what the fuss has been about, marketing dollars.

Regarding all your Ford sticker spotting, as you well know signage does not mean dollars, from any sponsor let alone a car manufacturer. And that goes for all eras of Ford motorsport involvement.

[GTRMagic]

If you dont build your own car, should the car maker really fund your program?

[EBXR8]

Well Lets Face It DJR out performed the Factory FPR team last year, so the deserve the funding they worked hard to climb back p towards the front. Plain and simple

[krypto71]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

If you dont build your own car, should the car maker really fund your program?

Whether you build them or buy them, they still cost money.

Great news for DJR, and well deserved!

[Henry]

Originally Posted by Holly Wood

Hey, I don't know if it's true or not, I just said I'd be very surprised if it is.

90% of what you've just written covers dealer sponsorship, panel and parts support, and Motorcraft (who had a separate marketing budget to Ford). None of that is money from Ford's bank account to DJs, which is the only thing that was lacking in 2009. That's what the fuss has been about, marketing dollars.

Regarding all your Ford sticker spotting, as you well know signage does not mean dollars, from any sponsor let alone a car manufacturer. And that goes for all eras of Ford motorsport involvement.

However you want to slice it....

[Holly Wood]

Sorry, I didn't deliberately set out to make you look silly, but the differentiation between parts support and money is the whole topic of this thread!

[Henry]

Originally Posted by Holly Wood

Sorry, I didn't deliberately set out to make you look silly...

I certainly don't need your help with that, I manage quite well by myself

Originally Posted by Holly Wood

...but the differentiation between parts support and money is the whole topic of this thread!

Certainly, if you feel the need to conclusively differentiate, DJ might have some old bank statements laying around (Bank of Qld, naturally).

Still, what seems to be your main reason for discounting the Motorcraft dollars? In more than a few ways, it seems a bit like saying "I'm not interested in this money, because the account number it came from ends in a 4 instead of a 7".

[NewsStalker]

Hey retro - can you post a larger image next time? The last one only took 30 seconds to download (on cable even!)