Umm who owns HRT?

msb · 6 Apr 2005, 01:04 (Ref:1271379)

For the second week in a row, AA reports that Pommy Tom is still negotiating to buy 49% of HRT. No problems there as such, except he is negotiating with HOLDEN. Surely he would have to negotiate with Skaife? But no, in every report I have read on this subject, all negotiations have been with Holden not Skaife. Me smells something fishy.

A9X05 · 6 Apr 2005, 01:08 (Ref:1271383)

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Originally Posted by msb

For the second week in a row, AA reports that Pommy Tom is still negotiating to buy 49% of HRT. No problems there as such, except he is negotiating with HOLDEN. Surely he would have to negotiate with Skaife? But no, in every report I have read on this subject, all negotiations have been with Holden not Skaife. Me smells something fishy.

We all know that the Skaifemeister is only the puppet in all this!

msb · 6 Apr 2005, 01:31 (Ref:1271392)

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Originally Posted by A9X05

We all know that the Skaifemeister is only the puppet in all this!

It certainly seems that way

Time for TEGA to look into this messy affair again.

TSR · 6 Apr 2005, 01:55 (Ref:1271407)

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Originally Posted by msb

It certainly seems that way

Time for TEGA to look into this messy affair again.

TEGA will not touch this cause it is Holden, and we all know they run V8supertaxi.

James63 · 6 Apr 2005, 02:21 (Ref:1271419)

For all we know I could own HRT.

Dazz · 6 Apr 2005, 03:52 (Ref:1271434)

Honestly, the whole ownership issue is so last year.

I really couldn't car who "owned" it, nor for that matter do I care what Ford teams are owned by who.

Ownership alone does nothing for on track performance, does nothing as far as data sharing goes and has nothing to do with budget.

Unless every team and driver had their phone lines, mail boxes, and internet connections traced and scrutinised, as well as an appointed guard to watch their every move, you wouldn't know what data was being thrown around the place anyway.

How would anyone know if SBR/HRT/888/FPR sent me a letter telling me every single piece of setup info on their cars for me to use?

They could e-mail me the tune for their engines for me to load into my ecu, and it goes on and on.

Can you tell me that Jason Bright when he goes to drive for his own team will not take with him everything he has learned at FPR (which may very wll be nothing but still).

I understand for some people this is a major upset in their life, but p-leeeeeeease, get over it and stop filling the forum up with utterly useless threads.

mjt57 · 6 Apr 2005, 04:05 (Ref:1271438)

It may be "so last year" to you. But if there is a concern that HRT and the offshoots are really factory owned, then I would suggest that there is a conflict of interest.

lcfp2297 · 6 Apr 2005, 04:28 (Ref:1271445)

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Originally Posted by Dazz

Unless every team and driver had their phone lines, mail boxes, and internet connections traced and scrutinised, as well as an appointed guard to watch their every move, you wouldn't know what data was being thrown around the place anyway.

Are you suggesting that this doesn't happen?

Joe5619 · 6 Apr 2005, 05:08 (Ref:1271457)

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Originally Posted by Dazz

Honestly, the whole ownership issue is so last year.

Actually the ownership issue was so the year before last year!!!

R59 · 6 Apr 2005, 05:17 (Ref:1271460)

I'd love to know where Pommy Tom got his money from, especially since he was bankrupt after his F1 team went belly up.

What's more, if he does get it, expect all sorts of allegations within a year. Looking at what he's done over his career with motorsport, he can't lie straight in bed!

Dazz · 6 Apr 2005, 05:28 (Ref:1271462)

When you think about it, does the person who owns the team, or the person who own the franchise have the power?

Holden could own all the teams as such, but if the license is in someone elses name, then the race team is basically worthless becasue without the franchise they have nowhere to race their cars do they?

Sultan · 6 Apr 2005, 06:19 (Ref:1271468)

Sure they do - sports sedans...

Joe5619 · 6 Apr 2005, 06:29 (Ref:1271471)

Is there not laws about what a bankrupt person can (or should that be can not) own/control for a 'given' period after they become bankrupt???

Surely laws would stop a bankrupt person from owning another bussines of any sort so soon after you have become bankrupt??

Raglanparade · 6 Apr 2005, 06:49 (Ref:1271483)

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Is there not laws about what a bankrupt person can (or should that be can not) own/control for a 'given' period after they become bankrupt???

Surely laws would stop a bankrupt person from owning another bussines of any sort so soon after you have become bankrupt??

Having completed some law units at University, im pretty sure the penalty varies between 2 years to 10 years depending on the level of bankrupcy that has occured.

Also, i remember there being a rule that it was 3 strikes and your out. You can have one failing business, two failing businesses, but if you fail on your third attempt, then you are banned from company directorships.

I think the important point to note that Tom Walkinshaw can become a shareholder.. there is nothing stopping you from owning something.. There may be limitations imposed on him being a company director.

What are the chances of Snappy Tom sitting on the Board of Directors at Holden Motorsport ?

Ps. The entire bankrupcy case could be void because it happened in the UK, and under Australian Corporate Law he has been bankrupt yet or been part of failed businesses before.

retro · 6 Apr 2005, 07:19 (Ref:1271503)

Ford fans unite cause Lowndes won't go in spitting distance of HRT while Mr Walkinshaw is there.

Conrod Kieron · 6 Apr 2005, 07:22 (Ref:1271504)

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Originally Posted by Dazz

Honestly, the whole ownership issue is so last year.

I really couldn't car who "owned" it, nor for that matter do I care what Ford teams are owned by who.

Ownership alone does nothing for on track performance, does nothing as far as data sharing goes and has nothing to do with budget.

Unless every team and driver had their phone lines, mail boxes, and internet connections traced and scrutinised, as well as an appointed guard to watch their every move, you wouldn't know what data was being thrown around the place anyway.

How would anyone know if SBR/HRT/888/FPR sent me a letter telling me every single piece of setup info on their cars for me to use?

They could e-mail me the tune for their engines for me to load into my ecu, and it goes on and on.

Can you tell me that Jason Bright when he goes to drive for his own team will not take with him everything he has learned at FPR (which may very wll be nothing but still).

I understand for some people this is a major upset in their life, but p-leeeeeeease, get over it and stop filling the forum up with utterly useless threads.

Useless eh? now removoing the where or whys etc, we all know is against the rules for a manufacturer to own a team right?

So the question is perfectly vaild, why is Tom dealing with a manufacturer?

Its good enough to be ought up a few times in the motor sport press so therefore good enough to be raised here.

Personally, i'm sick of it too but on the surface, it appears theres a lot of murky water around.

Sandgroper · 7 Apr 2005, 05:20 (Ref:1272229)

Who honestly cares. Its just another Holden/HRT?Skaife bashing post via msb.
What a tool.

Grimace · 7 Apr 2005, 09:00 (Ref:1272325)

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Originally Posted by A9X05

We all know that the Skaifemeister is only the puppet in all this!

E X A C T L Y !!!

Grimace · 7 Apr 2005, 09:03 (Ref:1272327)

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Originally Posted by retro

Ford fans unite cause Lowndes won't go in spitting distance of HRT while Mr Walkinshaw is there.

yes

msb · 7 Apr 2005, 09:45 (Ref:1272345)

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Originally Posted by Sandgroper

Who honestly cares. Its just another Holden/HRT?Skaife bashing post via msb.
What a tool.

No it's not. If it was the highly competent and experienced Moderators would put a stop to it. Are you calling the moderators incompetent?

**GTRMagic** · 7 Apr 2005, 10:58 (Ref:1272383)

Hmmm... flattery will get you... well some place or other

Meantime.. I also find it interesting that the HMS people seem to be involved in didcussions surrounding Skaife Sports P/L (the entity that owns HRT) when you consider it was Mr Borrett who went to the UK to secure the ownership of the racing equipment, and intellectual property....

I doubt Mr Skaife is being kept out of the loop however....

In some ways, it would be like a prospective team owner talking to Mr Gorman at Ford as the agent for Larko's team... it isnt a transaction that should be taking place.. but it seems for all intents and purposes quite odd...

Never fear though... the Kelvinmonster is here

Just Do It! · 7 Apr 2005, 11:43 (Ref:1272404)

Mr Borrett or Mr McKenzie? I seem to remember it being the latter.....

**GTRMagic** · 7 Apr 2005, 12:39 (Ref:1272446)

I think you will find the chequebook had Mr B's fingerprints all over it

msb · 10 Apr 2005, 09:49 (Ref:1274480)

This story just gets better. Anyone see RPM today with the Skaife interview? Just prior, Bill Woods asks the question regarding Skaifes dismal performance of the last 18 months, "was it WHEN he owned HRT". Now we have the laughable position-
1.Does he own it?
2.Did he own it?
3.Has he ever owned it?

As for Cromley, he lost all credibility in the interview. Everyone knows he's best mates with Skaife and for him and 10 to blatantly try to save Skaifes career is a disgrace.

Rombles1 · 10 Apr 2005, 11:10 (Ref:1274562)

msb..... stand for Mark Skaife Basher by any chance?

Least it makes a change from people picking on Dynamik.

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