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Old 7 Mar 2010, 14:11 (Ref:2646636)   #16
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The schools could at least run the odd day trip to a karting circuit, though. Why shouldn't my school take a class down to Llandow for the day?
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Old 7 Mar 2010, 14:13 (Ref:2646637)   #17
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Apart from cost, time and insurance, there is no reason. Although maybe a team manager should take them inbetween races?
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Old 7 Mar 2010, 14:21 (Ref:2646640)   #18
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Good point on the insurance, what with parents and schools not wanting to do anything where the kids could break a fingernail these days...
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Old 7 Mar 2010, 14:22 (Ref:2646641)   #19
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ah yes the elfs an safteys thats why we dont do any fun stuff coz johnny may put a screw driver throu his hand and that would be bad !!!
that'll be why we have a bunch of dinlos that cant even put a plug on a flex let alone fix an engine ect ...... where's me coat !!
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Old 7 Mar 2010, 15:51 (Ref:2646673)   #20
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But surely it's not down to school to promote interests. F1 seems to have a pretty healthy fan base and non of us were enticed into following it by our schools. We are Motorsport fans, so we think motorsports should be mentioned in school. But then Curling fans think schools should take them down to an ice rink a few times a year, and skydivers think they should all be pushed out of planes. I say, give the kids more maths and let them sort out their interests and personalities themselves.
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Old 7 Mar 2010, 16:01 (Ref:2646681)   #21
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But surely it's not down to school to promote interests.
So you're suggesting not to teach them about any sports at all then?

In school, we did football, rugby, cricket, tennis, athletics, basketball, rounders, orienteering and gymnastics, plus swimming. Surely all those would come under "promoting interests"

And as for F1 having a pretty healthy fanbase, again I'm not so sure. I'd say it's definitely more of an adult thing, especially club motorsport, which I would say may die out here eventually if more isn't done to promote it because of the commercialisation of the sport
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Old 7 Mar 2010, 16:14 (Ref:2646684)   #22
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So you're suggesting not to teach them about any sports at all then?

In school, we did football, rugby, cricket, tennis, athletics, basketball, rounders, orienteering and gymnastics, plus swimming. Surely all those would come under "promoting interests"

And as for F1 having a pretty healthy fanbase, again I'm not so sure. I'd say it's definitely more of an adult thing, especially club motorsport, which I would say may die out here eventually if more isn't done to promote it because of the commercialisation of the sport
Sport in school is largely about getting kids to take exercise together (with a nod to encouraging them to appreciate competition), the other sports you mention do this at a reasonable cost and I don't think there is any kind of Motorsport that is remotely comparable.
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F1 needs engineering skills that are useful elsewhere. It can be used to build and promote science and technology education. Rather than just an end in itself. I think that is why it mixes well with this initative.
I agree that this is how F1 best sits within a school environment. You can't "do F1" in PE the way you might play football or do athletics, but considering the lack of interest that a lot of kids have in scientific subjects (or subjects that are in any way complex), I would have thought that presenting them with an opportunity to learn how the skills are applied in an environment like F1 would be a good way of getting them interested. And of course, if a school is fortunate enough to be situated anywhere near an F1 team's factory, why not arrange a visit rather than expecting the team to come to you? It has to be better than the visit to Blackburn Rovers FC that I was saddled with when I was at school.
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Old 7 Mar 2010, 16:29 (Ref:2646693)   #24
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I agree that this is how F1 best sits within a school environment. You can't "do F1" in PE the way you might play football or do athletics, but considering the lack of interest that a lot of kids have in scientific subjects (or subjects that are in any way complex), I would have thought that presenting them with an opportunity to learn how the skills are applied in an environment like F1 would be a good way of getting them interested. And of course, if a school is fortunate enough to be situated anywhere near an F1 team's factory, why not arrange a visit rather than expecting the team to come to you? It has to be better than the visit to Blackburn Rovers FC that I was saddled with when I was at school.
I certainly agree with this, in my experience these kinds of things tend to be driven by relationships with local organisations, maybe there are schools that have a racing team round the corner they have an annual visit to, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it's happening in a small way somewhere and we just don't know.
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Sport in school is largely about getting kids to take exercise together (with a nod to encouraging them to appreciate competition), the other sports you mention do this at a reasonable cost and I don't think there is any kind of Motorsport that is remotely comparable.
If it's cost that's the issue then maybe the motorsport authorities need to invest more in it. Do Go Motorsport do anything in schools? I just think those in the privileged positions need to be a bit more proactive at the moment, because I think the motorsport fanbase is taken for granted right now. I should think the average membership age of a place like 10 Tenths is quite high, compared to, say, a football forum - numbers will start declining (if they haven't done so already) in things like club racing when the older generations pass on

Case in point - I'm a bit of a train buff, but there seems to be little enthusiasm from younger generations, and the older generations will undoubtedly be quite protective of their position in the railway preservation movement, so I think in a decade or 2, they're going to be in trouble, because they won't have the numbers anymore. Club racing is much the same - I haven't had much first hand experience of it, living in the back and beyond in Wales, but the impression I get is that it's an older generational sport with little drive to encourage younger people to get involved and keep the sport alive

I don't think a bit of preaching (for motorsport, not trains - you can't really do much about the latter) would be so bad. Loads of other organisations come to schools to do that - local businesses, churches etc. It wouldn't exactly take much - as Ralf's Girl points out, football teams do it, as do rugby teams and other sporting teams. I doubt a driver's schedule is that packed during the winter months before testing starts, and it's not exactly going to be the most stressful of activities to stand up and answer questions for some kids for guys who normally get grilled by the world's media in front of millions of viewers back home. I can see Jenson or Lewis quite enjoying that sort of thing, actually. And it doesn't even have to be an F1 thing - why not GP2 or F3 drivers/teams?

There's got to be a way of doing it somehow. It doesn't take much. In fact, it goes beyond schools. We need more fan interaction in general. F1 is so protective of the drivers today. You can't get close to them anymore
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There's got to be a way of doing it somehow. It doesn't take much. In fact, it goes beyond schools. We need more fan interaction in general. F1 is so protective of the drivers today. You can't get close to them anymore
I agree, there should be more promotion for the sport, they should do things to get people interested, I just don't think schools are the place to do it. I agree drivers should get out and do things to get noticed and get F1 in peoples minds. I don't think we should worry about loosing all fans though. Older generation got into the sport themselves, so some of us have followed. At least we've got good tv coverage so people can follow it easily.
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I agree that this is how F1 best sits within a school environment. You can't "do F1" in PE the way you might play football or do athletics, but considering the lack of interest that a lot of kids have in scientific subjects (or subjects that are in any way complex), I would have thought that presenting them with an opportunity to learn how the skills are applied in an environment like F1 would be a good way of getting them interested. And of course, if a school is fortunate enough to be situated anywhere near an F1 team's factory, why not arrange a visit rather than expecting the team to come to you? It has to be better than the visit to Blackburn Rovers FC that I was saddled with when I was at school.

It's not just F1 though that isn't well known in schools, motorsport as a whole is mainly alien to most kids. Its so disappointing that I am literally the only person in my education career that has been interested in Motorsport.

It SHOULD be taught and told about in schools, perhaps not physically, but in an activities after school to kart track or something. Many kids dont know what an engine does! They just dont know what they're missing out on at all.

And motorsport needn't be that expensive either (ok maybe if you want to do well) but for others it can be really cheap. Stupid education system!
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And motorsport needn't be that expensive either (ok maybe if you want to do well) but for others it can be really cheap. Stupid education system!
If we seriously believe that I'm afraid we are out of touch with the real world. Think about entry level sports for youngsters for a minute. Just to pluck a few sports out of the air:

Football or Rugby, to have a go all a youngster needs is a ball and a few mates, the cost really is virtually nothing. For a very little he can compete in a whole season of his local kids league. Not much travelling as it is pretty local for most youngsters.

Tennis, find a mate who wants to play and hire a court for an hour for a fiver, that's two and a half quid each. Most kids have suitable clothes and shoes already, night have to buy a racquet and a few balls but basic kit is very cheap now, cheaper than ever in fact.

Bowls, nothing needed except the price of hire of the woods and green indoors or out, hired by the hour for a small sum shared by all who are playing (not the woods I mean the cost of the green is shared.

Ice skating, comes up quite expensive at seven pounds including skate hire but this is for a session lasting several hours.

Cheapest way I have found to get involved with motor sport is arrive and drive Karting at about one pound per minute.

Let's suppose we are a kid with a fiver to spend on sport, we can have:

Virtually Unlimited football or Rugby.
One hours tennis.
Maybe an hour or so playing bowls.
Pays for most of a session of ice skating, maybe a couple of hours.

Or a whole five minutes Karting.

My life is massively enriched by my interest in motorsport and I actively encourage others to get involved but lets not kid ourselves it is not, never has been and probably never will be a cheap sport that everyone can get involved in.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant or is overly UK centric, as I say we have a great sport but we shouldn't kid ourselves about it.
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But surely the fact that it isn't as easy to go and do as football or rugby is perhaps a good reason why it needs more proactive encouragement through schools

On the subject of expense, I did a little bit of "racing" in a buggy for free as part of a weekend up at the Urdd camp in Llangrannog in West Wales. Obviously it's cost-inclusive but it wasn't that expensive a weekend and that included other stuff as well. It wasn't exactly for long either but something's better than nothing. And you can drive karts (not proper ones but they're motorised vehicles) for a little while at theme parks and places like that. So, in a way, Bendy's right - it doesn't have to cost that much
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But surely the fact that it isn't as easy to go and do as football or rugby is perhaps a good reason why it needs more proactive encouragement through schools

I don't disagree that it is expensive to go and do - insurance, as Adam pointed out earlier, is a major hurdle - but that doesn't mean it should be left out of school altogether
Schools aim to get kids involved in a handful of sports, there are dozens of minority sports out there that schools do not get involved in and much as we love it motorsport is just one of those and a very expensive one at that. By all means push for the motorsport industry to put some money and effort into raising awareness amongst schools and school children but the approach won't be coming from the schools and frankly there is no reason why it should.
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