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Old 17 Sep 2017, 12:23 (Ref:3767900)   #51
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nope, you can see on the onboard Max did not steer, both Ferrari's steered into him
It was Vettel who was doing the squeezing.
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Old 17 Sep 2017, 12:25 (Ref:3767901)   #52
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Raikkonen stayed on his line, so I fail to see how he could be at fault. Max just ran into him.

When his car doesn't let him down, he just does it all by himself.
your hate of Max must be blinding you

the Ferrari's were at fault
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Old 17 Sep 2017, 12:26 (Ref:3767903)   #53
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Er, Max did move left. Whether or not he moved because Vettel moved is up for discussion, but Max moved drivers left. Max turns right off of the grid, then turns left into Kimi, presumably because Vettel was coming.

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Old 17 Sep 2017, 12:26 (Ref:3767904)   #54
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your hate of Max must be blinding you

the Ferrari's where at fault
I don't hate Max.
Your love for him seens to be blinding you.

Max made a bad start, saw Raikkonen coming and tried to block him but was too late and hit him.

He just makes too many mistakes by lack of experience.
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Old 17 Sep 2017, 12:27 (Ref:3767905)   #55
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your hate of Max must be blinding you
The irony here is so thick that you could bottle it and sell it on eBay.
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Old 17 Sep 2017, 12:27 (Ref:3767906)   #56
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your hate of Max must be blinding you

the Ferrari's where at fault
I don't see any fault on Raikkonen's part.
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Old 17 Sep 2017, 12:29 (Ref:3767907)   #57
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There was a way of avoiding that btw - Max could've...backed out. Can't move left because there's a car there, can't move right because there's an accident inbound. Could just lift off and let them have their own accident.
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Old 17 Sep 2017, 12:29 (Ref:3767908)   #58
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or Alonso, who is IMO the big loser and really innocent in all what happened.
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Old 17 Sep 2017, 12:30 (Ref:3767910)   #59
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2nd FCY as Kvyat goes into the tyre wall.
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Old 17 Sep 2017, 12:32 (Ref:3767912)   #61
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There was a way of avoiding that btw - Max could've...backed out. Can't move left because there's a car there, can't move right because there's an accident inbound. Could just lift off and let them have their own accident.
I think it was too late for Verstappen to back out.
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Old 17 Sep 2017, 12:32 (Ref:3767913)   #62
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I don't hate Max.
Your love for him seens to be blinding you.

Max made a bad start, saw Raikkonen coming and tried to block him but was too late and hit him.

He just makes too many mistakes by lack of experience.
Except everything you said never happened.
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Old 17 Sep 2017, 12:34 (Ref:3767914)   #63
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I don't hate Max.
Your love for him seens to be blinding you.

Max made a bad start, saw Raikkonen coming and tried to block him but was too late and hit him.

He just makes too many mistakes by lack of experience.
Now you're just making things up

Max did not have a bad start, he was gaining on Vettel and it was Vettel who tried to block him , Kimi just tried to squeeze through a gap that was not there, must be their lack of experience
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Old 17 Sep 2017, 12:36 (Ref:3767915)   #64
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Hulkenberg pits a lap later, Palmer too. Vandoorne too.
They still hadn't caught up with the Safety Car
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Now you're just making things up

Max did not have a bad start
Then Kimi had a superb start.

It doesn't really matter how you put it, Kimi's was way better than Max' start.
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Kimi just tried to squeeze through a gap that was not there, must be their lack of experience
The gap was there, Max tried to close it but was too late.
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The gap was there, Max tried to close it but was too late.
You don't have to convince me, I know you hate Max
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How does it matter that Kimi had a better start?
He squeezed Max, so did Vettel, and they all crashed out.
This is fully both Ferrari's fault, absolutely no question about it.

So don't be so Trump about this.
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Here's the start of the race. Try and ignore the multi-screen.

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There was a way of avoiding that btw - Max could've...backed out. Can't move left because there's a car there, can't move right because there's an accident inbound. Could just lift off and let them have their own accident.
Max (almost) never backs out. That is one of his stong points, but equally one of his biggest weaknesses. You can gain some places at the start, but also lose the race there. Something Max has already experienced a lot of times.
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Wehrlein still on wets. Will he be one of the first to change to slicks?

EDIT: He just pitted, but they didn't show which tires he took. Probably inters then, otherwise it would have been on TV by now?
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Magnussen pits for slicks. Massa too.
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Almost everybody pits for slicks now. Hamilton will be one of the last to change
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lap 38: the left-side graphic shows all drivers still running have improved their position. How many times has that happened?
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