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Old 24 Jul 2017, 21:46 (Ref:3754083)   #76
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Old 24 Jul 2017, 22:04 (Ref:3754091)   #77
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So ADAC TCR DTM... then? Worked well for STCC. However, STCC didn't really stick with a type of car and DTM's thing is fastest touring car series in the world. Maybe 500hp TCR

On a serious note. The DTM was the first race I ever watched live (Brands 2012 where a Merc won) and it had such a great buzz around the track. I watched all the race highlights (30 or 60 mins back on ITV then) and really enjoyed it. When BT got the rights I basically stopped as there wasn't good coverage I could see. This year I've got back into it as I can watch the youtube streams and it is good, top class racing. I have always supported Mercedes as I saw them as the underdogs (worst brand every year since 2012, we can win someday!) so I will miss them when they go. DTM and the racing will be ever poorer without them. Audi and BMW must bring more cars next year (8 or 9) to improve the grid as 12 cars is not enough.

This was always going to happen. The DTM is too much a manufacturers championship and not for privateers. They even instill this with a championship just for the brands (I know WRC does this but anyone can run a car independently). It is the only championship I know with no 'privateers' and for good reason, it doesn't work. Works teams are allowed funding by boardrooms, independents by managers on the ground so at the end of the day a decision to stop is quicker and easier for 1 head office meeting (Peugeot LMP1, Citreon+Lada WTCC...) than a privateer run by racers who will race till they have nothing, no less than nothing (Manor, Caterham...). The second a corporate target changes they can be gone
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Old 24 Jul 2017, 22:18 (Ref:3754097)   #78
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Didn't see this coming....although if you think about it it's not a surprise. Formula E is the new Walhalla. Personally I don't care about FE, but also not really care about current DTM.

F1 and FE for Mercedes factory teams, GT3 and GT4 for customers. Hopefully they add a A-Class TCR car.

Maybe they can split current TCR Germany in a DTM top league and a second league with promotion and relegation.
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Old 24 Jul 2017, 22:20 (Ref:3754098)   #79
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Works teams are allowed funding by boardrooms, independents by managers on the ground so at the end of the day a decision to stop is quicker and easier for 1 head office meeting (Peugeot LMP1, Citreon+Lada WTCC...) than a privateer run by racers who will race till they have nothing, no less than nothing (Manor, Caterham...). The second a corporate target changes they can be gone
And still Manor and Caterham ceased their business in F1. These silhouettes are too expensive. I still can not understand why they are so expensive, as chassis are not converted out of standard body - they are all built from ground, engines are not superbly sophisticated even for 2000's when they have appeared. I do not understand why this cars are so expensive. GT500 are expensive because works teams can modify them slightly and have two versions of engines for a season (and who knows how many test and development engines). But this DTM we have now - these cars are just brought to us right from the 2000's. And today we have Argentinian TC2000 which is watchable and cars are not that expensive (well, with a spec engine of course which is a dull stuff for a racing enthusiast). So, DTM is sinking just because of its' "exclusivity". And curiously expensive old cars.
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Old 24 Jul 2017, 22:27 (Ref:3754100)   #80
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I don't know where it stands with the general public, but corporate boardrooms are in love with FE.
Whiny little toy cars on **** tyres and **** circuits.

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Sh!t the bed. This is terrible news.
Yep. DTM looks to be dead - unless another manufacturer comes in (hugely unlikely with the current regs). I suspect BMW will concentrate on their new GTE program (even though GTE also looks to be on shaky ground) and Audi can concentrate on customer cars for GT3 and TCR.
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Old 24 Jul 2017, 22:38 (Ref:3754105)   #81
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DTM needs a huge revolution now if it is to stay. I really believe DTM will survive but it won't be the same again. DTM should've changed cars some time ago, then it would be easier to attract new manufacturers etc. Now maybe collaboration with Super GT would make DTM still alive.
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Old 24 Jul 2017, 22:44 (Ref:3754107)   #82
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I'm shocked I heard the news on 5Live......

However, I've always felt the DTM tried too hard to be like F1; and completely lost direction. It could/ should have been a really good series, but never quite knew what it wanted to be.

As for FE; I still struggle to understand the hold it has over the Manufacturers. It gets far too much coverage for what it is. Until it can race on proper circuits, etc it will be utter garbage.
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Old 24 Jul 2017, 23:07 (Ref:3754111)   #83
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Yep. DTM looks to be dead - unless another manufacturer comes in (hugely unlikely with the current regs). I suspect BMW will concentrate on their new GTE program (even though GTE also looks to be on shaky ground) and Audi can concentrate on customer cars for GT3 and TCR.
Also Audi and BMW join FE with full factory teams.
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Old 24 Jul 2017, 23:39 (Ref:3754112)   #84
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DTM needs a huge revolution now if it is to stay. I really believe DTM will survive but it won't be the same again. DTM should've changed cars some time ago, then it would be easier to attract new manufacturers etc. Now maybe collaboration with Super GT would make DTM still alive.
I admire your optimism but if Mercedes isn't replaced I think the series will fold at the end of 2018.
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 01:29 (Ref:3754124)   #85
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Yes, we all know how long time racing fans feel about FE --the word 'fanboost' is enough to make anyone on this forum gag, but I'm curious if the general public view it as some sort of F1-lite, the way corporations (and pro drivers) seem to.
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 01:59 (Ref:3754129)   #86
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Yes, we all know how long time racing fans feel about FE --the word 'fanboost' is enough to make anyone on this forum gag, but I'm curious if the general public view it as some sort of F1-lite, the way corporations (and pro drivers) seem to.
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 02:07 (Ref:3754131)   #87
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OK, back on topic... The DTM is in serious danger now. If I were Gerhard Berger, I'd be Googling the Superstars rule book and seeing if people were interested in big banger saloon car racing, or else wondering about a GT3 sprint series.
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 09:11 (Ref:3754183)   #88
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BMW and Audi won't stay - DTM will be dead at end of next season
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 09:19 (Ref:3754185)   #89
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I'm sure they are starting evaluating what is next for DTM. I believe BMW and Audi will not leave immediately, the same as DTM will not be resolved immediately. Firstly, they will do everything they can to ensure DTM can go ahead after Mercedes' exit.
But, yes, I agree, if there is no Mercedes replacement, the DTM is sadly dead.
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 09:34 (Ref:3754187)   #90
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Unless a new manufacturer joins, this is not good. DTM has managed to keep the grid numbers reasonable, with Merc out it will dwindle very badly. The other alternative is BMW and Audi add in more cars
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