Where have the most important RX cars gone to?

[The Eye]

Originally Posted by rx-guru

That Hasse Möller from Söderköping that drove an Audi quattro in RX during the mid 1980s to become 3rd overall in the 1986 SRC? And who was (where) the previous owner(s) of the car?

Yes the same Möller. I don’t think he owns it, but the owner let’s him drive it sometimes in historic races.

[rx-guru]

Winnie, I’ve never heard that Martin drove a 1.7 engine in one of his RS200s. Already at the 1986 GBGP at Brands Hatch Martin was the only RS200 driver to use the new 2137cc E2 engine developed for Ford by Brian Hart. If there was talks about a big and a small engine, it was related to the new (from 1988 on 1.7, before it was 1.4) turbo factor. Up to 2058cc (aka 2.1l engine) the car was eligible for the 3.5l weight rule, with the 2.3l engine it had to follow the weight rule for 4.0l. For Matti Alamäki’s Pug the original 205 E2 1775cc engine (3.5l) therefore was reduced to 1760cc (3.0l) before the 1988 ERC.

[chunder]

I remember all this from way back when, and I think it is also why Will used a 2.3 motor in teh Metro rather than a 2.8 like Rasmushaugen maybe, but even then it would have been very heavy compared to teh opposition.

The only guys I know who ran 1.8 motors where Rolf Nilsson, I think Gary Baker for a bit before he went much better with a Minty motor and Graham Hathaway.

Most ran 2.1, I think Renny may have even been tuned by Hart himself?

Pat used Godfrey motors I'm sure, but I stand to be corrected.

I remember also that the engine tuner battle was in Div2 with Drury, Hoyle and Karlssons really upping the ante in teh RS500's. Every eyar more power!! superb

[rx-guru]

Yep Chunder, Rolf "Myggan" Nilsson was the only one in the ERC to continue with the original 1803cc RS200 engine – and was, funny enough, as 5th overall the best placed of the nine RS200 campaigners in the 1987 ERC… BTW, the late Trevor Hopkins’ RS200 had also a 1.8l unit in 1987 and 1988.

And before I forget, German Rainer Bley, a retired Zakspeed engineer, did some of Martin’s engines.

[chunder]

I remember Hoppy in teh red car using a 1.8, think he went to a 2.1 later on. Rumour has it that the car might still be somewhere at Haynes, though not sure about that one!! Maybe ask Bob Gooding??

Was sure someone European did Martins engines.

Only realised after watching that superb new YouTube clip that Welch drove a Zakker Mk2 aswell, am presuming that was Martins old car? And didnt Gunnar K use that aswell later on?? Also while talking of Gunnar, am sure he had an Xtrac too!

Talking of Rolf, thinki he was driving an Elan in historic racing, how do I know?? Coz on the side of teh car it says "Myggan"

[fullcircle]

Chunder

That sounds an interesting clip but I cant seem to find it on youtube, any chance of the link?

[chunder]

Erm its the rallycross GP from 1983, is old BBCD footage, its in two parts and shwos Martin having a styrop with Murray!! superb!

[rx-guru]

Originally Posted by chunder

Only realised after watching that superb new YouTube clip that Welch drove a Zakker Mk2 aswell, am presuming that was Martins old car? And didnt Gunnar K use that aswell later on?? Also while talking of Gunnar, am sure he had an Xtrac too!

Talking of Rolf, thinki he was driving an Elan in historic racing, how do I know?? Coz on the side of teh car it says "Myggan"

In the 1983 ERC Martin Schanche, Kjetil Bolneset and Gunnar Kittilsen were driving RS1800 Turbos (all Zakspeed) while John Welch used a RS2000 without turbocharger. In 1984 Kjetil and Gunnar were still driving the same cars, while Martin used the first ever Xtrac and John had his RS1800 Turbo for one year, before getting his own Mk3 Xtrac in 1985. "Kitta" was not seen in 1985, 1986 and 1987 but drove a Mk3 4x4 (Xtrac?) with poor success in only a very few ERC rounds of 1989 and 1990.

"Myggan" is Swedish for mosquito. I was told that Rolf in his childhood was tiny and, therefore, nicknamed "Myggan" by his friends at Tomelilla. IIRC Bengt-Göran Grenander, the Swedish FIA ORC man who is also from Tomelilla, told me that Rolf is doing historic racing nowadays.

[MiniMadness]

Originally Posted by chunder

I remember Hoppy in the red car using a 1.8, think he went to a 2.1 later on. Rumour has it that the car might still be somewhere at Haynes, though not sure about that one!! Maybe ask Bob Gooding??

Last I heard both the Haynes cars are still in one of the garages at Haynes. Obviously I'm also talking about the Escort mk1 of the legend that was John Taylor. BTW I think Bob used to work for Trevor Hopkins.

[rx-guru]

Originally Posted by MiniMadness

Last I heard both the Haynes cars are still in one of the garages at Haynes. Obviously I'm also talking about the Escort mk1 of the legend that was John Taylor. BTW I think Bob used to work for Trevor Hopkins.

Wonder if it is really the RX Mk1 of John "Schneiderhansl" Taylor or just a very nice Mk2 Rallying car (Escort RS Gp4?) of HoM. I got pics of that one. It was presented by Taylor during an ERC round at Lydden once.

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by chunder

Rumour has it that the car might still be somewhere at Haynes, though not sure about that one!! Maybe ask Bob Gooding??

Trevors family still have the car - it was also rumoured to be under restoration a couple of years ago but I haven't hard any more about that recently. (this info came from the son of one of Trevors crew so I'm fairly confident in it).

[Jakobth]

Originally Posted by Barrie

Jernberg had it after Morstad to use as donar car for his 93 Escort.

Teil Hansen from Denmark bought the body of the Escort in 1993 and scrappred the car after dismantling the suspension that was mounted on it.

[chunder]

Some fatastic information being uneartehd here, just goes to show what a knowledgeable bunch of saddos we are doesnt it!!

Didnt realise Kjetils's yellow Shlee car was a turbo, great stuff

And you know what if you get the GT Legends game you can actually drive an Elan with Nilssons name on teh side! How bizarre!

[fullcircle]

I spoke to a guy in Norway a couple of years ago who had bought the engine from kjetils car and installed in a Mk1 escort! All 520bhp of it

Incidentally, In Poland just just before he retired I had the pleasure (or not as it was well below freezing!) of sleeping in the back of Martin Schanche's bus. over breakfast he told me he had only just sold the last of the RS200's he had. some 9 years after he couldnt use it


I also heard Pekka still has his car under a sheet in his workshop

[rx-guru]

Originally Posted by fullcircle

I also heard Pekka still has his car under a sheet in his workshop

At least till March 2006.
Have a look here http://www.rs200.org/ and click on Chassis Number 98 in the frame at the right…
BTW, I think that Chassis Number 12 was Martin’s original RS200. IIRC the second one was a 'Bitsa'.

[chunder]

Brilliant site, if you research teh panel on the left you will find the buyers of original cars such as Nordstrom, Nilsson, Bratlie etc, ahve sent him some info so he may be able to update the site a bit more with rallycross input.

Havent got pics that I can scan here but am sure those of you that have the ablilty to scan pics would be delighted to help, his site is really very good!

[The Eye]

Originally Posted by The Eye

Yes the same Möller. I don’t think he owns it, but the owner let’s him drive it sometimes in historic races.

NO i was wrong. Hasse still owns the black RS200.

[rx-guru]

Originally Posted by The Eye

NO i was wrong. Hasse still owns the black RS200.

So if it is really a former Schanche RS200 I guess it is his bitsa car, build by Martin himself from a spare bodyshell and lots of spare parts. Such cars are less precious for the collectors, who prefer Group B cars with a documented Rallying history. They don’t care about Rallycross.

[Barrie]

Interesting bit in the for sale section. Mark Rennisons car is in Califonia, up for £100.000, says Mark sold car in 1994 to King Hussein for alot of money.

[chunder]

Is it still in DSRM spec or been rebodied into a rallycar. As Someone earlier said I think many of the rallyx cars are bitza cars.

People with an original will want to seel with paperwork etc, rallycross cars on their own are worth half as much I would think!

Unless there suddenyl is a boom in collecting them George!!

[rx-guru]

Concerning the RS200 AFAIR I once read somewhere that there are only four or five cars known to be bitsas.

[Papst-Peer]

Hey folks, you discussed a lot about RS200 and 6R4's but whats about the RS500 from Hansen and Skogstad? Saw the Hansen RS500 for sale at rallycross.de, the Owner is/was Peltokangas Eemeli. The same who tried to sale the Alamäki 911 4x4 Bi-Turbo.
And what happened to the Audi S1#s which were used in RX, especially the ones that were heavily crashed, (Herbert Breiteneder & Bert Brodin). Heard that Breiteneder bought a new one after crashing his first S1 & and the one from Brodin was totally destroyed in the crash with Rustad. Did he rebuild it? Does anyone know???
And what happened to the Olle Arnesson car??

[rx-guru]

Never heard that "Breiti" bought a second S1. Would surprise me for some reasons, anyway. However, there is something in the back of my ol’ brain connecting Austrian Rally ace Franz Wittmann Senior with the S1 of Breiteneder.

[rx-guru]

Who drove an Audi Sport quattro or a S1 in RX?

I remember:
Olle Arnesson
Anders Carlsson
Herbert Breiteneder
Dimi Mavropoulos
Sven Lestander
Bertil Persson
Bert Brodin

I know that the cars of Arnesson and Carlsson (IIRC it was actually owned by E.G. Larssons Bil AB) have been used once (or even twice?) for Michèle Mouton’s 'Race of Champions'.

I would not be surprised if Olle has his one still in possession…

I seem to remember that Brodin’s car was the ex-Lestander S1…

Anyone forgotten?

[schanche]

I seem to remember a Dark Red Quattro at mondello many moons ago in the ERC I think he was from belguim big impressive outfit let us use his transporter for viewing nice fellow!
What was the audi Tommy Kristoff drove! and at Lydden hill before the internations at croft the following weekend i recall seeing Laslo Murusi with an Audi Quattro think he was from Hungry?