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Old 13 Oct 2001, 12:39 (Ref:160058)   #1
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Goodwood - Autosport Lying?

Did anyone just see the 1 hour programme on C4 about Goodwood revival? If you read the Autosport report on the revival, and Marcus Pyes comments in pit and paddock you were left with the impression that Justin Law was some sort of pariah and that Willie Green was upset with Justins driving. Well having watched the post race interviews on the telly Justin and Willie are stood together and they are being extremely amicable... in fact Willie commends Justin for his performance. Later in the show Gerry Marshall is also full of praise for Justin after their exciting dice. These two respected members of the historic racing scene are just that RACERS and thus recognise a fellow racer. It really annoys me that Marcus Pye can print exactly what he wants about drivers, and sully their reputations. I hope Jusin and Don Law complained to Autosport, because that is some of the most biased journalism I have ever witnessed, especially given the actual amount of bonhommie between the drivers after the event. Pye is just a sore loser, who is not up to the job on or off the track.

Absolutely wicked footage though - I want a Lotus Cortina so much!! And Barry Sheene timed his bike win perfectly, he looked on a different plain.

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Old 13 Oct 2001, 22:00 (Ref:160240)   #2
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Justin Law

Yes, I watched the C4 programme. I really enjoyed the racing shots, pity about all the crowd interviews though.

I have not seen Justin Law before, but he is certainly a trier! Apart from overcooking it in the C type he was doing a good job. What does Autosport want? For him to sit back and watch the others race.

I used to read Autosport avidly back in the 70s. It kept us up to date with the gossip, but definately could be describing a different meeting to the one we were at. It depends on the writers point of view I suppose.
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Old 13 Oct 2001, 23:01 (Ref:160260)   #3
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Well, it's all a question of what you want to believe, I suppose. I should say that I was interested to see the Willie Green interview, because the Goodwood circuit PA and eyewitness accounts certainly gave me the understanding that Willie Green was livid in parc ferme after the race.

Understandable, if you think about it. Quite apart from the damage to the cars, it was a violent hit, and could easily have overturned him or thrown him out. The door of the Cooper Jaguar sprang open, after all.

If nothing else, the shock reaction will be a factor to consider.

However, with the TV crew there, and garlands presented, Willie is also a racer of thirty years experience. He knows which side his bread is buttered, so it is unlikely he will have taken any grievance to a Channel 4 television team.

So frankly, I'd be very unhappy to hear Marcus Pye's journalistic integrity called into question. His account in Autosport backed up testimony I had already heard.

Far be it from me to attempt to justify Autosport as a journal of record. It isn't. And has not been for at least five years. But in this case, I really don't think the testimony is as skewed as you have it.
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Old 15 Oct 2001, 00:00 (Ref:160676)   #4
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Willie and I have been pals since the '50s, as he reminded me five or so years ago. We used to race boats before we were old enough to drive cars.
He was VERY puh-issed off at Goodwood purely because he knows where the limit is.
If you have SPOKEN to him since, Ghinzani, and he told you otherwise, then I'm wrong - but he was furious, believe me.
Oh and watch out who you call a liar. I've never met Marcus Pye, but I'll bet my bottle of Scotch against your bar of soap that he's an honest journalist.

You want to race historic saloons? Ever even tried? - you just have to give up a few things you thought were essential, concentrate on the object of your desire, scrape, scrounge, get the car together and then prove your talent.

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Old 15 Oct 2001, 18:38 (Ref:161000)   #5
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No I havent spoken to Willie Green but going by what he said Publicly to the TV cameras, and adding in Gerry Marshalls comments the impression one gets is that Justin Law impressed them, especially Gerry Marshall. I would bet my house that Pye is not an honest journalist - how can he be when he races himself? Its bound to taint his objectivetivity. You know the scenario - "well Marcus you can race my car - oh youve given me two pages of free advertising for my car and team in your magazine..." its all you scrath my back, and at the end of the day when its the only weekly magazine they have us by the short and curlies. As to his inconsistencies well where do I start? How about the ISC? That started off as the next best thing according to Autosport, but as the cars failed to appear and the championship became a farce they had to shift their positions rapidly. A major volte face! I wonder when they will admit they were taken in by this search for a F1 racing driver thing being run by "Team Tyrrell"? Having read the threads here and looked at the site that looks another load of PR rubbish ! but I bet they offered Marcus a drive or something 'cos he gave them plenty of coverage in the pit and pillock section he edits. Hoping we have all forgotten about it now I guess? As you can guess having read the mans work for 20 odd years I think he is a pratt!

As to Historic racing - no thanks.... I worked as a mechanic for 10 years and have seen enough people throw their money away!! I'd just like one for the road and perhaps the odd hillclimb or sprint, couldnt treat my pride and joy like these professionals do ;-)
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Old 15 Oct 2001, 22:08 (Ref:161178)   #6
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I talked to Willie immediately afterwards, and he was upset because he thouf=ght that Justin had made 2 errors of judgement, getting on the grass in the first palce, then not giving up and accepting the spin when it was inevitable, and causing significant damage to both cars as a result. He was gracious enough to observe that he hoped that Justin had learned from that, andf that he'd been very impressed with Justins speed and bravery through the race.

It should be pointed out that Justin very nearly stuffed that C-Type into the bank under me feet on Saturday, when he didn't realise the oil slick on the circuit was created by him, and also ran out of road at the first corner of the TT Celebration, when starting from pole. He was much more circumspect after that. His drive in the saloon was first rate though.

Great to see the coverage on C4 but it was interesting it was just a "taster" with only 4 races covered, just enough to make you think I really must get the video
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Old 16 Oct 2001, 17:28 (Ref:161521)   #7
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Do you know when the video will be available and from where? The racing was so good on that programme, I want more!! Thanks
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Old 16 Oct 2001, 21:04 (Ref:161656)   #8
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You can find details on http://goodwood.co.uk in their Motor racing section. I saw last years and it was first rate.
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Old 17 Oct 2001, 13:22 (Ref:161947)   #9
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Meridien ITV carried the whole meeting over two weekends, essential viewing! Maybe you could get a copy from them. Pity they did not do the same for Silverstone Historic, which was in some ways a more interseting meeting. Lets hope the rumours of it not happeneing next year are false.
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Old 17 Oct 2001, 15:37 (Ref:162025)   #10
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Simon, I'd heard that it wasnm't happening too, it certainly wasn't on the draft 2002 calender I saw
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Old 17 Oct 2001, 15:43 (Ref:162033)   #11
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I heard that they might move it to Brands which would be almost as good but the facilities there are not as good and if you are bringing sponsors along Silverstone does it better. Anyway I guess that is another subject, re Goodwood my only regret is that the selection process for the saloons (that's what I race)is at best erratic!
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Old 17 Oct 2001, 15:54 (Ref:162044)   #12
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I thought Justin Law was excellent (or even incredible) in the saloon race - hence Gerry Marshall's comments. They had a terrific but honest fight. But the incident in the sportscar race was totally silly, so I can fully understand Green's sentiments. Then again, these things happen - a race meeting without incident wouldn't be real racing, would it?

Incidentally, my report on the event is here: http://8w.forix.com/reviv01.html
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Old 17 Oct 2001, 16:24 (Ref:162058)   #13
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Simon, I'd heard that it wasnm't happening too, it certainly wasn't on the draft 2002 calender I saw
Motor Sport says it's being moved to Oulton Park-will be called the Gold Cup-which is good news-anything LEAVING Silverstone is good news!

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Old 17 Oct 2001, 17:57 (Ref:162107)   #14
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Meridien ITV carried the whole meeting over two weekends, essential viewing! Maybe you could get a copy from them. Pity they did not do the same for Silverstone Historic, which was in some ways a more interseting meeting. Lets hope the rumours of it not happeneing next year are false.
Did Meridian show the same coverage as C4 or their own? where is Meridian? Does it cover Dorset? I dont get ITV cos Ive got Sky, but I could put an arerial up if they are showing it again! What was the Glover Trophy for Tasman cars coverage like?
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Old 18 Oct 2001, 07:29 (Ref:162371)   #15
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Dont know how it compared to Channel 4, but there was about 4 hours coverage in total. Sorry to say that I cannot remember much about Tasman cars as they are not really my thing, I prefer sports and saloon or slightly later single seaters. Why is everyone so down on Silverstone? The historic GP circuit is great fun and fast. As a competitor I thought Historic Festival was the highlight of my (admittedly short time) racing to date. Two saloon races in one weekend, it was great value and I thought the facilities were excellant. With Group C racing as well you could not ask for more.
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Old 18 Oct 2001, 18:33 (Ref:162580)   #16
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Were the marcos' racing in the GT series? A friend of my dad's races one and last time i went see them race they blew the doors off the lightweight E types.
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Motor Sport says it's being moved to Oulton Park-will be called the Gold Cup-which is good news-anything LEAVING Silverstone is good news!
Haven't seen that yet. For my money I thought Silverstone is best suited for a large meeting - lots of space for club displays etc. The staff are phenomenally helpful and polite as well. As for the circuit, well the National that we usually use isn't too great, but I thought the historic GP circuit was one of the best I've driven on - especially Becketts, Abbey and Bridge.

Thing is, if the above rumour is true, my all time favourite circuit is the full circuit at Oulton (haven't done Spa yet, though!) so I wouldn't be too upset, but I really don't think it has the facilities for a meeting of this size - how does it cope with large meetings such as the BTCC etc from the point of view of spectators? On first impressions, for a large meeting such as the historic festival, where an important part of the success of the meeting is club stands, automobilia section, and auction, Silverstone is best, simply because it has the space! Brands would be next (and is another superb circuit, both from a driving and spectating perspective) with Oulton third out of the possibilities suggested.

P.S. Does anybody know if there will be an official video of the historic festival 2001, and, if so, when it will be out?
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I completely agree re your comments on Silverstone. Have to admit that I have not done Oulton yet as I seem to miss it each time and re Spa, you have a great treat in store!
They had video screens operating so they have no excuse for not making one, maybe we should lobby them!!!!!!
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LEAVING Silverstone is good news!
Last time I tried to leave Silverstone it took so long I swore I'd never go back. And I never have.
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Well I can only talk as a driver and would say as such the experience is well worth a small wait in traffic post race, gives you a chance to relive the race!!!!
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Well I can only talk as a driver
Hell, when I used to race we spent enough time going over the race at the bar afterwards for there to be no queue to get out.

Three hours to leave a field after a GP is too long - and now they want £200 each for the w/e to stand and watch the cars go round, or £300 sitting down. Much cheaper to spend a w/e at Le Mans (travel food and tickets included).
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You're preaching to the converted my friend! Haven't been to a GP for more than a decade now.

But next June I shall be asking you for that detour which allows me to avoid driving through downtown Rouen on the way to la Sarthe. Rouen is the one thing about the Le Mans weekend that I could do without.
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I think that the traffice problems for Historic Festival are not so great!!! If you did not go this year then you definately missed out on some spectacular racing and a well organised slick event, however if the comparison is Le Mans well I guess you would be disappointed as there were historic cars only!!!!!!!!!!
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