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Old 27 May 2009, 10:01 (Ref:2470044)   #31
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Could it be the rules? Appendix K cars can race with masters and ut2c so most people plumb for an FIA car for the versatility it offers. HRSR have knowhere else to go so less and less people bother with it and only the stalwarts are left. If the HSCC series went FIA would more cars turn out?

Terry re the F5000's the reason the grid is so small is because most of the f2/atlantic cars are at monza next weekend. If you add those and the 5000's together you would expect 20 cars.
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Old 27 May 2009, 10:30 (Ref:2470054)   #32
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Yes,I hadn't thought of that Jame's RE F5000.
I think you could be right regarding tin tops,perhaps it is down to the ruling covering these car's.I still think there IS room for a premier FIA Championship,properly policed and run I'm sure that would bring in/back those who really care about these matter's,all that's needed is an organizer brave enough to do it.I have to add that I would give serious consideration to something like an Alfa Guillia if something like that were to be brought in.Yes, I know there are plenty of series to choose from,but there is no FIA recognition to any of the current series being run.Say a six round championship visiting Silverstone GP,Donington,Thruxton,Brands GP and perhaps Spa,touring car heaven?
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Old 27 May 2009, 10:32 (Ref:2470056)   #33
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zefarelly should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridzefarelly should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridzefarelly should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
thats the $m question . . . . .

short answer yes, but FiA is increasingly irrelevant in practice
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Old 27 May 2009, 10:36 (Ref:2470058)   #34
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Thats why I said "Properly" policed Zef,scrutineered by very clued up scrutineers.It could be done.
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Old 27 May 2009, 10:38 (Ref:2470059)   #35
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simon drabble should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridsimon drabble should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridsimon drabble should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
have you seen the weather forecast - dont forget the Ambre Solaire!
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Old 27 May 2009, 10:44 (Ref:2470063)   #36
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But so far as entries are concerned it doesnt matter whether the rules are enforced. If you have the HTP your eligible for the races that cater for FIA cars, ie Masters and U2TC irrespective of whether your car is to the letter of the law. An HSRC car will never be eligible for FIA papers so they're stuck with HSCC.

If the race at Snett this weekend was for FIA cars and was an hour long there would be more entries as the pool of available cars is much greater.
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Old 27 May 2009, 10:44 (Ref:2470064)   #37
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Old 27 May 2009, 10:48 (Ref:2470068)   #38
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Yes I'm glad my car doesn't have a roof! More of a concern is 3 nights in the truck. Is there hook up for electicity at Snetterton or do I need to take my generator to keep my electric fan going through the night!
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But so far as entries are concerned it doesnt matter whether the rules are enforced. If you have the HTP your eligible for the races that cater for FIA cars, ie Masters and U2TC irrespective of whether your car is to the letter of the law. An HSRC car will never be eligible for FIA papers so they're stuck with HSCC.

If the race at Snett this weekend was for FIA cars and was an hour long there would be more entries as the pool of available cars is much greater.
Thats exactly the point James,as you say,the pool of FIA cars is larger,therefore I'd have thought there would be more owners willing to enter such a championship.
There are plenty of electricity points to hook up to.I wonder how good the air con is in the SC.
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Old 27 May 2009, 10:58 (Ref:2470077)   #40
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Surely its a difficult one though because if the HSCC went for FIA cars for example and it was done properly, in order to attract cars they would have to put on longer races to attract entries as currently masters and U2TC races are 1hr I think. Maybe they could follow the Guards Trophy route and have a few 1hr 2 driver races.
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Old 27 May 2009, 10:58 (Ref:2470078)   #41
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re HRSR it increasingly shows how marginalized non FIA cars are.... its a long and boring argument where those with non FIA cars will never agree that maybe the FIA owners are correct!!!
The clearest indicator as to demand is that an HRSR 2 litre Alfa has been on the market for over a year yet FIA cars sell pretty quickly (even Sprint GT's which are not that competitive and will never get a Goodwood invite!). Its a great shame that HRSR decided to overturn the decision a few years ago to phase out oversized cars and go down the FIA route but along with MGB's and Spa 6 Hour its a subject that has had more than its fair share of exposure!
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Old 27 May 2009, 11:09 (Ref:2470086)   #42
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I was thinking more like two hour duration Simon,two drivers compulsory and only up to two litre's.Split over six rounds,I think it could be made to work.Perhaps I'll mail Gow,just to see what he thinks.
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I don't think soleley FiA is the way forward, but a period correct set of club regs would help alongside

I'm getting a sense of de ja vu

and I'm not listening to CSN&Y!
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Old 27 May 2009, 15:49 (Ref:2470274)   #44
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But so far as entries are concerned it doesnt matter whether the rules are enforced. If you have the HTP your eligible for the races that cater for FIA cars, ie Masters and U2TC irrespective of whether your car is to the letter of the law. An HSRC car will never be eligible for FIA papers so they're stuck with HSCC.

If the race at Snett this weekend was for FIA cars and was an hour long there would be more entries as the pool of available cars is much greater.
I'm doing the 3 Hour and had entered the Cortina but decided to pull the entry for the saloons race. Firstly, I was away last weekend at Brands and the family in Moscow will appreciate me flying home on Sunday instead of Monday.

But I am not as willing to run the Cortina with the HRSR cars having spent all I did this winter on a full rebuild. Proper steel front wings are now rarer than hen's teeth as are many other parts. Many of the things in the HRSR regs are designed to reduce cost by allowing freer use of non-App K parts but that means (maybe??) that the drivers have less to risk in damaging a car? Perhaps as it is a championship people are more likely to risk a move than take the gentlemanly approach? Certainly some of the higher profile incidents have dampened the enthusiasm of running a car that has cost so much to prepare.

Also, while App K is not perfect as we all accept, there is some sort of level playing field. And 2 cars of a same engine capacity tend to have a good race together and with others in their class.

To my mind, 2 identical looking Lotus Cortinas racing on track one with 1558cc and to App K and the other 2 litre with 4 wheel discs etc and Mustang beating performance with only a small K on the door of the FIA car to differentiate is not how I see historic motor sport in an ideal world, again my opinion only.

Finally for me, I need to travel a long way to race and so prefer longer races and meetings where I can run a couple of cars over several days.
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