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Old 12 Jun 2011, 17:25 (Ref:2897182)   #61
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This thing should be tipped up on its end and launched towards the moon!

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Please read my post above and reconsider your opinion.

If you are unable to do that, go and watch Gp2.
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Old 12 Jun 2011, 17:37 (Ref:2897185)   #62
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Well this was my favourite of the 2012 Indycar proposals, mainly for its open-source philosophy which would've brought some innovation to a series that could desperately use some. That, and the seven-year-old me thought it looked cool. And still does. Bring it on I say, the more variety on the grid the better. And if it delivers on even half of the claims being made of it, it should be something quite special indeed.
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Old 12 Jun 2011, 17:55 (Ref:2897195)   #63
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Please read my post above and reconsider your opinion.

If you are unable to do that, go and watch Gp2.
I think the technology that is supposed to be developed by this ethos is technology that should some day wind up in passenger cars, such a seat belts, better headlights, other safety features, diesel engines, etc. You can't even put doors on this thing and it would have trouble making a turn without flipping over like any other trike. Can you see this technology in a passenger car? We are all entitled to our opinions without snide remarks about Gp2.

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Old 12 Jun 2011, 18:56 (Ref:2897277)   #64
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I think the technology that is supposed to be developed by this ethos is technology that should some day wind up in passenger cars, such a seat belts, better headlights, other safety features, diesel engines, etc. You can't even put doors on this thing and it would have trouble making a turn without flipping over like any other trike. Can you see this technology in a passenger car? We are all entitled to our opinions without snide remarks about Gp2.

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It features lightweight composite construction (road relevent) and a low drag design (elements of which can be incorporated into road cars) and a production based engine.

And please, do some research about how it will turn. Look out for something called 'torque vectoring'. Somehow I doubt someone of Bowlby's experience would design a car that can't turn properly. Lets see it run before passing judgement.

Its not a trike, it has four wheels.The front two happen to be very close together.
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Old 12 Jun 2011, 19:02 (Ref:2897285)   #65
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It features lightweight composite construction (road relevent) and a low drag design (elements of which can be incorporated into road cars) and a production based engine.
None of which is particularly groundbreaking, or interesting. It is a failed project looking for a home, and somehow found it. This does nothing to further the green "cause" that hasn't already been done, isn't a sportscar, at least with the drawings shown. I don't think that what should be the world's greatest race should have a side show, that doesn't achieve anything new, or have a marketing reason.

Hopefully it never ends up racing.
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Old 12 Jun 2011, 19:30 (Ref:2897309)   #66
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None of which is particularly groundbreaking, or interesting. It is a failed project looking for a home, and somehow found it. This does nothing to further the green "cause" that hasn't already been done, isn't a sportscar, at least with the drawings shown. I don't think that what should be the world's greatest race should have a side show, that doesn't achieve anything new, or have a marketing reason.

Hopefully it never ends up racing.
Motor racing has always been about innovation; Audi and turbo-diesels spring to mind, let it race.
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Old 12 Jun 2011, 19:38 (Ref:2897311)   #67
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Motor racing has always been about innovation; Audi and turbo-diesels spring to mind, let it race.
I think you missed where I stated this wasn't groundbreaking or interesting (innovative).
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Old 12 Jun 2011, 19:39 (Ref:2897312)   #68
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Motor racing has always been about innovation; Audi and turbo-diesels spring to mind, let it race.
Le Mans is for sportscars! What does a deltawing jet plane design have to do with sportscars? This design should be applied in open wheel racing or single seater racing but not in sportscar racing. This car doesn't fit the sportscar metric is all I'm saying. New technology is a great thing, but you shouldn't be putting a round peg in a square hole. All of the lightweight technology and turbo-diesels can be tried and has been tried in sportscars at Le Mans. We encourage more cars like the turbines, electrics, hybrids, etc., we just don't encourage single-seater designs pretending to be sportscars. IRL should let them race, I would have no problem with that. The banked turns should keep it from turning on its side in the turns.

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I think you missed where I stated this wasn't groundbreaking or interesting (innovative).
That's your opinion, the thing is some people think it is.
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Old 12 Jun 2011, 19:44 (Ref:2897315)   #70
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That's your opinion, the thing is some people think it is.
Ok, so a lightweight formula car, with a stock based engine is ground breaking? Interesting.

The Porsche 918 RSR is ground breaking.

The Oreca Hope is ground breaking.

The Diesels were ground breaking.

Sparky was ground breaking.

The Howmet was ground breaking.

The BRM Turbine was ground breaking.

This thing is none of the above, in my opinion.
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Old 12 Jun 2011, 19:54 (Ref:2897328)   #71
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Ok, so a lightweight formula car, with a stock based engine is ground breaking? Interesting.

The Porsche 918 RSR is ground breaking.

The Oreca Hope is ground breaking.

The Diesels were ground breaking.

Sparky was ground breaking.

The Howmet was ground breaking.

The BRM Turbine was ground breaking.

This thing is none of the above, in my opinion.
You forgot the D-Wing's aero design and the vector steering.
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You forgot the D-Wing's aero design and the vector steering.
The Aero design is nothing new, land speed records, dragsters, streamliners... it's been done before.

So I guess this car has a place on the grid due to the revolutionary vector steering.
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The Aero design is nothing new, land speed records, dragsters, streamliners... it's been done before.

So I guess this car has a place on the grid due to the revolutionary vector steering.
It's new for a race car designed for racing on a track. I don't remember seeing a car like this on the race track before.
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btw... the Vector steering appears to have been something for Indy only... doesn't appear in the materials for LM that I can see. I can't remember seeing a Semi-truck racing LM either, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
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btw... the Vector steering appears to have been something for Indy only... doesn't appear in the materials for LM that I can see. I can't remember seeing a Semi-truck racing LM either, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
From what I read, the Vector steering was for road/street courses not ovals.

A Semi at LM; now that would be interesting.
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