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Old 22 Jun 2011, 17:21 (Ref:2904330)   #1
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V6 Engines for 2014

Ratification pending although no mention of the turbo issue in this article:

http://en.espnf1.com/fia/motorsport/story/52179.html

But it is mentioned here:

http://www.pitpass.com/43984-F1-dela...-green-formula
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Old 22 Jun 2011, 17:26 (Ref:2904334)   #2
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And once again the FIA changes its mind....
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Old 22 Jun 2011, 17:32 (Ref:2904337)   #3
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Old 22 Jun 2011, 18:30 (Ref:2904363)   #4
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Why are they now forcing V6 engines? Can't they just say 1.6L turbocharged with any number of cylinders you want?
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Old 22 Jun 2011, 18:47 (Ref:2904371)   #5
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Two important victories for Montezemolo in only a few weeks time: blown diffuser ban and V6-engines.
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Old 22 Jun 2011, 19:21 (Ref:2904392)   #6
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I don't see that, it's probably cheaper and easier this way. I'll laugh when teams start to say they were in favor of the 4 cylinder engine. Because none were, not even Renault.
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Old 22 Jun 2011, 19:41 (Ref:2904404)   #7
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I think this is an excellent compromise deal for the following reasons:

1) everyone should agree
2) Bernie will like the noise - and so will the fans
3) the chassis designers will like the torsional rigidity of a V6
4) the engine designers will have an easier time making the thing last
5) the aero boys will have twin exhausts for aero blowing
6) The manufacturers will have something road relevant

the only downside is the cost, but the current engines really are not relevant to mainstream automotive, and this has been the way for about 20 years unfortunatley......despite the late change I really do believe this is for the better
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Old 22 Jun 2011, 20:30 (Ref:2904424)   #8
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I think this is an excellent compromise deal for the following reasons:

1) everyone should agree
2) Bernie will like the noise - and so will the fans
3) the chassis designers will like the torsional rigidity of a V6
4) the engine designers will have an easier time making the thing last
5) the aero boys will have twin exhausts for aero blowing
6) The manufacturers will have something road relevant

the only downside is the cost, but the current engines really are not relevant to mainstream automotive, and this has been the way for about 20 years unfortunatley......despite the late change I really do believe this is for the better
What is there about F1 that is truly relevant to mainstream automotive?
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Old 22 Jun 2011, 20:37 (Ref:2904428)   #9
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What is there about F1 that is truly relevant to mainstream automotive?
An engineering and management training ground perhaps. That's about it.

Wel, apart from some influence over worldwide brand awareness.
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Old 22 Jun 2011, 20:41 (Ref:2904431)   #10
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I'm pleased with this.

Oh no, that's wrong. I hate this. F1 is a joke. A massive U-Turn. Just like when they went back to slicks. A joke. Just like when they banned traction control again after allowing it. The ban on refueling - a joke. More overtaking, pah, a ridiculous change in direction.
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Old 22 Jun 2011, 20:45 (Ref:2904433)   #11
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What is there about F1 that is truly relevant to mainstream automotive?
It's F1 trying to plug the gap left by the demise of sportscars.

Formula One doesn't need to be about road relevance, nor should it be. It's meant to be about building cars to go round a track as quickly as possible. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's the FIA's job to ensure it's done safely and (sort of) affordably. Again, nothing more, nothing less.

I'm not sure what Todt is trying to do here with motor sport, he seems to have one policy and one policy only - to downsize everything in every single category. And with the FIA announcing the WEC, where does any category have its USP?
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Old 22 Jun 2011, 20:57 (Ref:2904439)   #12
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What is there about F1 that is truly relevant to mainstream automotive?
It doesn't need any road relevance, but rather than Ferrari vs Mercedes vs Renault, you'd have Red Bull vs Coca-Cola vs Sony.
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Old 22 Jun 2011, 22:04 (Ref:2904476)   #13
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Once upon a time F1 engines were 1.5 litres and turbocharged.Then somebody decided that these were too complex and expensive as well as too powerful;so they were eliminated.Their replacements were larger and had more cylinders and actually cost more to make but they were held to be good because the wise men said so.After a few years and a reduction in capacity and the number of cylinders,not to mention a rev limit,the FIA have decided that smaller turbocharged engines are a good idea.When this had been announced,Ferrari-who receive a bigger share of the money than anybody else and who appear to have a right of veto on rule changes-got grumpy and now the FIA are allowing more cylinders.Will they all live happily ever after?
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Old 22 Jun 2011, 22:33 (Ref:2904496)   #14
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Once upon a time F1 engines were 1.5 litres and turbocharged.Then somebody decided that these were too complex and expensive as well as too powerful;so they were eliminated.Their replacements were larger and had more cylinders and actually cost more to make but they were held to be good because the wise men said so.After a few years and a reduction in capacity and the number of cylinders,not to mention a rev limit,the FIA have decided that smaller turbocharged engines are a good idea.When this had been announced,Ferrari-who receive a bigger share of the money than anybody else and who appear to have a right of veto on rule changes-got grumpy and now the FIA are allowing more cylinders.Will they all live happily ever after?
At least the V6 is the right architecture for a turbo engine.
I4 is just plain wrong - I3 may have some merit.
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Old 22 Jun 2011, 22:46 (Ref:2904500)   #15
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I'm happier with V6 turbo than a straight 4 turbo. However i'd rather not have turbo's at all, i'd rather have a mixture of V8, V10 and V12 engines.
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