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Old 4 Oct 2014, 18:33 (Ref:3460303)   #196
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Old 5 Oct 2014, 10:21 (Ref:3460751)   #197
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If you're looking to sports cars for a noise fix then you are looking in the wrong place. There have always been much louder forms of racing.
With some of the sports cars I've seen race, any cars which are louder wouldn't be healthy for human ears.

I know the Audis are quiet but some sportscars which have raced very recently must be right up there on the noise stakes. Unless we're counting drag racing?
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Old 6 Oct 2014, 00:58 (Ref:3461053)   #198
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We are. Or least I was. After experiencing certain things I just can't consider sports car racing to be loud or violent or the like. Irritating? Sure. Fatiguing over a long duration? Without question. A gaggle of current 911s isn't what I would consider pleasing. But not super loud either. That's okay. I love engines and all of their noises and smells and other vibrations. I also love good sounds and not just noise for noise sake like many seem to. I have never understood this insistence that a race car has to be loud. I'll take a pleasing sound over pure noise anytime. I remember falling in love with the Audi R8s in the closing hours of Petit LeMans because I was tired and fatigued and they didn't add to that and I was appreciative. Plus they sounded like jets and I thought that was pretty rad.

Post Script. Your writings in the F1 crossroads thread elsewhere in these forums were well executed and spot on.
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Old 2 Dec 2014, 08:36 (Ref:3480993)   #199
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AER pic - a short piece of an engine
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Old 2 Dec 2014, 10:54 (Ref:3481020)   #200
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Does someone knows the displacement of this engine?
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Old 2 Dec 2014, 14:52 (Ref:3481076)   #201
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Does someone knows the displacement of this engine?
To my knowledge its not been released, but in all descriptions of the V6 engine originating from AER they mention many times about V6 features carried over from the 2.0 I4 engine, I know they performed a lot of combustion simulation and validation in relation to the direct-injection system on the 2.0 I4 engine, and that would be a very very costly exercise to repeat, so based on that logic I would say its 3 litres, with the same bore and stroke of the 2.0 I4 engine........time will tell.......but I do know they spent 3 years simulating this V6 engine before they actually made it, so the amount of research that has gone into this engine is already huge........But!.....if I was starting from scratch I would use the biggest capacity possible in order to keep the rpm low and keep frictional losses to a minimum for reduced fuel consumption, so dont be surprised if its over 4 litres!

Having seen the image above, I am surprised they went the twin-turbo route when its only pushing in the region of 600bhp, also it really does make sense to have the exhaust ports inside the V, like Audi have done, this makes the sides of the engine very clean and aero friendly, all the extra parts in the side pods will really choke the aero-flow coming out of the radiators, but I guess they have their reasons, most probably extra drivability from a twin turbo system.......but the engine is fully-stressed, so has no A-frames, so that alone makes it a touch neater to install

But all the above aside, I believe the AER V6 is a very good engine, and Rebellion will be stupid if they dont start using it next year.

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Rebellion would have to increase the length of the gearbox to keep the wheelbase, right?
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If am I not wrong, the P60 AER is a new engine, but however based on the nissan 350Z VQ series. Displacement should be 4.0L
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Autosprint reporting Rebellion may be looking at aer, judd and cosworth for 2015.
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I would love if they stick two entirely different engines to the R-Ones, like Oak did with their coupes this year. Would make for interesting comparisons too, especially since there's always been considerable performance gaop between #12 and #13 anyway. But admittely that could be too much of a hassle

Cosworth hasn't had great track record for some time now pretty much anywhere (?), their return would be interesting.
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Rebellion would have to increase the length of the gearbox to keep the wheelbase, right?
Most gearboxes interface to the engine via a seperate bell-housing, so it would just be a case of a new thicker bell housing to manage the shorter v6, most people either cnc machine them from solid billet, or laser-sintering is now very popular in the aero and motorsport industries ......the aer v6 lmp1 engine is a completely bespoke design, nothing to do with the v6 nissan gp3 engine also from aer

The word is cosworth did the v6 for the new nissan lmp1, so id be surprised to see a cosworth privateer engine too.......i think its between zytek, judd and aer......the benefit of zytek also being able to offer the KERS system too.
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Is the nissan expected to be a V6 then?
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Old 3 Dec 2014, 05:11 (Ref:3481328)   #208
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They go kers, they lose their (light)weight advantage. The only thing that I can see happening in that scenario is the ACO allow them 2mj a lap with a lower weight. If that doesnt happen, I dont know if theyll bother doing a hybrid.
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An interview with Mike Lancaster from AER, including some hints of LMP2 entrants maybe stepping up to P1.
Still no confirmation of the engine capacity of the P60 though. Why so secretive?

http://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/k...venture-490573
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Are Daytona Prototype engines valid options for P1? I guess that legally yes, but no so sure if they would be competitive.
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