[BTCC] Round 4 - Thruxton, 18th May 2008 - Page 2

Suze · 18 May 2008, 12:44 (Ref:2205444)

be interesting for the second race seeing as ITV has just said one of the Seats failed the ride height check so will be starting from the back.... Little strange seeing as from earlier posts it seems the same person failed after qualifying....???

crmalcolm · 18 May 2008, 12:47 (Ref:2205448)

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Originally Posted by Suze

be interesting for the second race seeing as ITV has just said one of the Seats failed the ride height check so will be starting from the back....

It was Plato, second time this weekend he's failed ride height. He said they've got an extreme set-up, didn't think it would be an illegal one though!!

awrb · 18 May 2008, 12:48 (Ref:2205450)

I thought that race was quite good, what with the suspence of the battle for second. TOC did really well, class of his own really, Shedden was fast but i think he was pushing just that little too hard.

R2's gonna be good theough. Hope Turkington can get the win cos i think he deserves it. TOC's gonna be strong though, and surely Gio can go stronger than the first race.

cos · 18 May 2008, 12:49 (Ref:2205452)

Starting from the back but still with P3 ballast... ouch.

Suze · 18 May 2008, 12:58 (Ref:2205459)

eh? How come he has to keep the ballast if he's stripped of points and has to start from the back?

cos · 18 May 2008, 13:02 (Ref:2205464)

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Originally Posted by Suze

eh? How come he has to keep the ballast if he's stripped of points and has to start from the back?

He just does unfortunately. He certainly didn't sound very happy about it... "Rules are rules, but it's stupid!"

Suze · 18 May 2008, 13:05 (Ref:2205467)

I guess then it's more of a penalty to have to keep it. But they're pretty silly to have failed on the same thing twice during the same weekend. Unfortunately my ITV4 seems to be struggling for signal so missed most of the interview!

cos · 18 May 2008, 13:36 (Ref:2205502)

When Neal and Turner went across the grass I swear Ben Edward's voice went out of human hearing range. Well done OC, that last lap puncture for Gio will keeps the championship race nice and tight... OC must be right up there with Gio and Plato now?
edit: indeed, VX drivers are 1-2-3 now.

btcckid · 18 May 2008, 13:41 (Ref:2205508)

first time we have seen fab angry-my brother was making a joke saying "i wonder if fab ever gets angry" ...........

crmalcolm · 18 May 2008, 13:42 (Ref:2205511)

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Originally Posted by cos

When Neal and Turner went across the grass I swear Ben Edward's voice went out of human hearing range. Well done OC, that last lap puncture for Gio will keeps the championship race nice and tight... OC must be right up there with Gio and Plato now?
edit: indeed, VX drivers are 1-2-3 now.

It definitely seems like Neal's playing the team game today. Will he hold some of the field up, if possible, to allow Giovanardi to progress in R3 (Assuming Gio doesn't get the lucky draw).

cos · 18 May 2008, 13:48 (Ref:2205516)

Oh dear, Jamie's interview with Neal just now, that was cringeworthy...
Young master Jordan gets the lucky dip for pole; Shedden or Plato then for race three..?

Super Hans · 18 May 2008, 13:54 (Ref:2205521)

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Originally Posted by cos

Oh dear, Jamie's interview with Neal just now, that was cringeworthy...

Indeed, whether it was her own error or whether she'd been given duff info, it was painful to watch. Credit to Matt Neal for being a good sport and seeing the funny side!

I'm hoping for a Plato victory in Race 3.

Knowlesy · 18 May 2008, 14:08 (Ref:2205538)

Jamie has been generally rubbish but that is a new and complete low for her.

The race is that thing with the cars circulating the track you are standing next to dear, try watching it next time yeah?

Ted Kravitz expressing man love for Tom Chilton there.

awrb · 18 May 2008, 14:13 (Ref:2205540)

I don't think that Janie's been that bad, and I htink she meant ot ask Neal bwt when he went off with Turner, but said chicane rather than complex, and then got horribly confused. So glad to have Ben Edwards back though.

stedevil · 18 May 2008, 14:17 (Ref:2205545)

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Originally Posted by redshoes

Originally Posted by stedevil
Were did you find me saying you should only check at the end?!?

here..

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Originally Posted by stedevil
I must say I much prefer how WTCC is doing this.

I still dont understand what you are refering to. WTCC regulations clearly state that they can check a car at any point they like during an event. There is no difference there to BTCC.

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The race officials have a good idea of the relative performance of each car in the field and can spot when a laptime looks suspect.

Proper governing implies selecting who to check via randomization, not depending on who you shared a pint with at the pub last week or who ****ed you off the other day...

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Originally Posted by awrb

I suppose the reason the BTCC does let people have a 'second chance' in qualifying is because there isn't a lot of cheating in the BTCC, so they don't want to come down harsh on a team who made a simple mistake with the car and set it just too low.

And no one wants to see the title race ruined because of a simple mistake by the team. It's like when a car's made to do a drive through because the team wasn't off the grid quick enough, it seems totally unfair to punish the driver.

The issue here isn't that the punishment is too low, problem is that it's completely arbitrary. If you get "caught" at the beginning of a session, you get no punishment at all but can adjust the settings and go out to set a new time. If you get caught too late you end up at the very back of the grid. Same offence, two completely different penalties. How is that in any way fair or equal?

Add to this that apparently according to redshoes that it's purely down to the whim of the officials of how and when to pick out to check... gosh, you better have the right friends in the stweards office....

mattt · 18 May 2008, 14:21 (Ref:2205548)

whats someone done to the porsches - there producing a good race

tin-top fan · 18 May 2008, 14:25 (Ref:2205549)

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The issue here isn't that the punishment is too low, problem is that it's completely arbitrary. If you get "caught" at the beginning of a session, you get no punishment at all but can adjust the settings and go out to set a new time. If you get caught too late you end up at the very back of the grid. Same offence, two completely different penalties. How is that in any way fair or equal?

Surely just don't cheat and then there's no need for any punishments?

Bramzel · 18 May 2008, 14:33 (Ref:2205553)

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Originally Posted by tin-top fan

Surely just don't cheat and then there's no need for any punishments?

Thats very cure and naieve of you

In a perfect world...

btcckid · 18 May 2008, 14:44 (Ref:2205568)

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Originally Posted by mattt

whats someone done to the porsches - there producing a good race

and thats why i let my brother watch the tv for a bit becasue i thought it was going to be boring

roachy101 · 18 May 2008, 14:46 (Ref:2205569)

Plato will probably win round 3 considering the pace the Seat has and that the vauxhalls are a couple of rows back. Though, if he leads, i bet the puncture jinx will hit him like it did with Shedden and Giovanardi

ss_collins · 18 May 2008, 15:54 (Ref:2205602)

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Personaly i dont think we will ever see team 48.

Being an ex Roots Racing driver (the lineage is thus Roots racing - Windrush Motorsport - Team 48) I can fully agree - this team wasn't a goer from its inception a few years back - Roots had mileage but the later evolutions of it were a waste of time and the domain of dreamers

Suze · 18 May 2008, 16:01 (Ref:2205607)

shame the puncture / leader curse has struck again......!

cos · 18 May 2008, 16:02 (Ref:2205610)

On exactly the same lap for Shedden too... looks like Jelley's been involved in another incident as well.

redshoes · 18 May 2008, 16:05 (Ref:2205613)

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Originally Posted by stedevil

WTCC regulations clearly state that they can check a car at any point they like during an event. There is no difference there to BTCC.

So why did you say "I must say I much prefer how WTCC is doing this" if they are doing the same thing?

Menu was sent to the back because he failed a post-qualifying check, the same checks take place in BTCC and the result would have been the same.

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Proper governing implies selecting who to check via randomization, not depending on who you shared a pint with at the pub last week or who ****ed you off the other day...

Add to this that apparently according to redshoes that it's purely down to the whim of the officials of how and when to pick out to check... gosh, you better have the right friends in the stweards office....

During qualifying drivers are stopped for a weight / height check at random. All cars will be checked at least once but when is at the digression of the officials.

Generally Alan Gow will be at the pit lane entrance checking the timing screens and will check anyone who has just set a quick time. It's got nothing to do with playing favourites and everything to do with using common sense. How is that so difficult for you to grasp?

btcckid · 18 May 2008, 16:12 (Ref:2205620)

real sorry for jordan-he made that race for me, guttted he went out
well done to plato and jackson

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