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Old 7 Jun 2011, 10:09 (Ref:2892668)   #16
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Corvette, Aston, Saleen, Maserati GT1 won't be eligible in 2012.
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Old 7 Jun 2011, 11:36 (Ref:2892706)   #17
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Corvette, Aston, Saleen, Maserati GT1 won't be eligible in 2012.
With their current GT1 cars no, but I guess Corvette and Aston could easily do something with their GT2 or GT3 cars, no?
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Old 7 Jun 2011, 12:15 (Ref:2892722)   #18
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With their current GT1 cars no, but I guess Corvette and Aston could easily do something with their GT2 or GT3 cars, no?
well if other GT2/GT3 manufacturers are allowed to, you can bet that Aston and Corvette can too
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Old 7 Jun 2011, 12:17 (Ref:2892724)   #19
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I've read that only 2009spec GT2 cars are allowed. As for Corvettes only Callaway could produce some GT3.
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Old 7 Jun 2011, 17:48 (Ref:2892952)   #20
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This is how I see it going...

01 Nissan (GT-R GT1)
02 Ford Matech (GT GT1)
03 Lamborghini (Aventador GT1)
04 Ferrari (F458 GT2)
05 Porsche (RSR GT2)
06 Corvette (P&M C6.R GT2)
07 Aston Martin (Vantage V12 GT2)
08 BMW (M3 GT2)
09 Audi (R8 LMS GT3)
10 Mercedes (SLS GT3)
11 McLaren (MP412C GT3)
12 Lotus (Evora GT2)
Question is are grids down this year due to lack of cars, or interest.

You'd need 10-12 teams, ATM some are running four cars, lastly if cars need modifying, that's added development and spares expensive, costs that cannot be covered by customer sales.
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Old 7 Jun 2011, 19:21 (Ref:2893002)   #21
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I've read that only 2009spec GT2 cars are allowed. As for Corvettes only Callaway could produce some GT3.
I thought the GT2 Vette first saw the light of day in 2009, but didn't race until last year?
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Old 7 Jun 2011, 19:22 (Ref:2893003)   #22
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This is how I see it going...

01 Nissan (GT-R GT1)
02 Ford Matech (GT GT1)
03 Lamborghini (Aventador GT1)
04 Ferrari (F458 GT2)
05 Porsche (RSR GT2)
06 Corvette (P&M C6.R GT2)
07 Aston Martin (Vantage V12 GT2)
08 BMW (M3 GT2)
09 Audi (R8 LMS GT3)
10 Mercedes (SLS GT3)
11 McLaren (MP412C GT3)
12 Lotus (Evora GT2)
The GT2 cars only will be allowed the 2009spec.

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01 Nissan (GT-R GT1/GT3)
02 Ford Matech (GT GT1/GT3)
03 Lamborghini (Murcielago GT1, Gallardo GT3)
04 Ferrari (F430 GT2, 458 GT3)
05 Porsche (RSR GT2 , GT3-R GT3)
06 Corvette (P&M C6R GT1, P&M Z06 GT2, Callaway Z06 GT3)
07 Aston Martin (DBR9 GT1, Vantage V8 GT2, Vantage V12 GT3)
08 BMW (M3 GT2, Z4 GT3)
09 Audi (R8 LMS GT3)
10 Mercedes (SLS GT3)
11 McLaren (MP412C GT3)
12 ???
This is the dream grid and completely possible.
Number 12 mark can be:
Alpina B6, Spyker C8, Morgan GT3, Ascari GT3, Maserati MC12, Saleen S7, or maybe Lexus LFA
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Old 7 Jun 2011, 21:16 (Ref:2893058)   #23
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Why would Lambo (Reiter) produce a new GT1-spec Aventador if they could run a GT3 car in this series and many others for little additional development cost? Even building a new GT3 to replace the current Gallardo family still seems like a better investment.

As a separate point, the 2009-spec GT2 car thing is bizarre to me. Why would manufacturers want to be involved running cars that they don't even sell anymore (eg. Ferrari 430)? I guess the independent developers might be (see Matech Fords) but the GT2 cars are largely developed by factories or under contract from them...
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Old 7 Jun 2011, 21:35 (Ref:2893069)   #24
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I thought the GT2 Vette first saw the light of day in 2009, but didn't race until last year?
Ah, my memory doesn't serve me right. They got some racing in 2009 in the last part of ALMS season. But the team that wants to put a GT2 Corvette should be very rich I think. Last year I've read somewhere at 10-tenths that Chevy and BMW are very expensive cars. As for M3 - was there a GT2 version of it in 2009? I know there was a special ALMS version with more complex rear suspension. All in all SRO should give a list of possible entries - today it's just rumours and thoughts.
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Old 7 Jun 2011, 22:10 (Ref:2893087)   #25
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O.K. I've now had a good think about the whole "proposal", and you know what? Screw it. Really. I hope Ratel gets absolutely zero interest, and after the "summer deadline" the championship buries itself as quickly as possible.

And this comes from a person who was (and still is) a huge fan of old FIA GT Championship, the one with multiple classes, proper cars and longer races. And while I may not like what Stephane has done to the series since he received the world championship status, the new format hasn't been a (huge) disaster either. But c'mon, now they're trying to sell us a product that just screams FAKE in every turn it takes.

I can live with SROs constant, constant, constant performance balancing, but when in addition you start to make BoP tweaks between the classes, it's starts to become just ridiculous. And when you add GT3 class which is already a big mess with no proper regulations or rules, you've got a real catastrophe in your hands. I can already see half of the teams complaining. If you can accurately predict the race results just by looking at FIAs fresh BoP charts, then what's the point...


IF the championship goes ahead, the names I might expect to see are...

GT1 Nissan
GT1 Lambo
GT1 Ford
GT2 Porsche
GT2 Ferrari
GT2 Aston
GT3 everyone, but who cares

Someone might be tempting to bring a GT3 vette or two (if they dare to face SROs anti-Corvette performance balancing), but no-one will be bringing a GT2 due to the downsized engine and lack of available chassises.

While the GT2 BMW might fit your 2009 deadline, you won't see any entered as they're only run by the factory team and cars aren't exactly FIA legal either. Unless you want a special class for them...

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Why would manufacturers want to be involved running cars that they don't even sell anymore (eg. Ferrari 430)?
Seeing as you can't enter factory-supported cars anyway, does it really matter... the only ones interested will be the privateers.
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Old 7 Jun 2011, 22:42 (Ref:2893102)   #26
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Would it not be better if they just combined GTE's with GT3's, while slowly phasing out the current GT1 cars?
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This is how I see it going...

01 Nissan (GT-R GT1)
02 Ford Matech (GT GT1)
03 Lamborghini (Aventador GT1)
04 Ferrari (F458 GT2)
05 Porsche (RSR GT2)
06 Corvette (P&M C6.R GT2)
07 Aston Martin (Vantage V12 GT2)
08 BMW (M3 GT2)
09 Audi (R8 LMS GT3)
10 Mercedes (SLS GT3)
11 McLaren (MP412C GT3)
12 Lotus (Evora GT2)
02 - Ford Matech - are you sure there'll be any of those racing anywhere in 2012? Isn't there already a shortage of parts while Matech went bust?
03 - there's no Aventador racecar in the works that anyone heard of. 2012 is coming soon (next year in fact ;-). Gallardo LP-something-or-other is likely though.
06 - 2009-spec GT2 Corvette had a 'transitional' engine based on LS7.R, 6.5l I think. Is it even eligible? There were 2 chassis, are there any left? In any case Z06 GT3 seems more likely (a great deal less expensive).

I think most teams would like to run GT3 cars, don't forget we're talking about 1-hour banger racing, so cars don't need to be very reliable, they need to be cheap, and BoP will take care of the performance. Why spend more?
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Old 8 Jun 2011, 15:42 (Ref:2893525)   #28
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Seeing as you can't enter factory-supported cars anyway, does it really matter... the only ones interested will be the privateers.
I suspect we will see even more unoffical works teams entering carrying on from what we've had with Vitaphone/Maserati, or AF Corse/Ferrari, Prodrive/Aston 'young driver' and Reiter/Lamborghini etc

And remember Porsche kept changing their 'blessed' GT2 teams every year from Prospeed to whoever?
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The announcement by the FIA ​​to the new orientation of the FIA ​​GT1 World Championship 2012 has caused quite a stir. Now there are the first details on the new "World GT Class."
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Old 9 Jun 2011, 13:54 (Ref:2894267)   #30
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Real GT cars will be in WEC. For me, there's no need to organize a "world" champ for sprint races with almost the same cars that you can find in WEC or FIA GT3. The same European teams can go to FIA GT3 and compete there.

It would be more interesting to have a world sprint races champ with Audi R5, BMW M3, Buick Regal, Honda HSV-010, Mercedes CLS, Nissan GT-R and so on. Just for variety. Because there're too many sprint GT racing which is very confusing. Maybe it's interesting for drivers but too boring to watch the whole season and not to mix up who, where and with what is driving this week end. And what handicap he gets. They just need something fresh-looking.
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