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Old 23 Dec 2017, 20:24 (Ref:3788877)   #301
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Old 24 Dec 2017, 11:39 (Ref:3788980)   #302
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Yep - just popped in there......
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Old 27 Dec 2017, 10:06 (Ref:3789277)   #303
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A bit of a social media faux pas from Lewis this week..
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Old 27 Dec 2017, 10:34 (Ref:3789284)   #304
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Really?

I'd like to reply 'Am I bothered?'

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Old 27 Dec 2017, 11:01 (Ref:3789289)   #305
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Definitely a storm in a teacup isn’t it? Some quite extreme reactions on Twitter etc..
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Old 27 Dec 2017, 11:44 (Ref:3789298)   #306
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Old 27 Dec 2017, 12:58 (Ref:3789309)   #307
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I tend to agree with him. But then again I'm not a snowflake nor do I particularly care whether someone thinks they are a victim. IMO he should not have apologised.
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Old 27 Dec 2017, 13:42 (Ref:3789321)   #308
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Old 27 Dec 2017, 15:55 (Ref:3789338)   #309
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Lewis commenting on what people should wear? This is a setup...right?
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Old 27 Dec 2017, 19:29 (Ref:3789357)   #310
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Lewis commenting on what people should wear? This is a setup...right?
I thought the same. Lewis commenting on what is appropriate when it comes to fashion.

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Old 28 Dec 2017, 09:32 (Ref:3789414)   #311
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Old 28 Dec 2017, 14:37 (Ref:3789457)   #312
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I posted this on Facebook just now.

Right, the UK's greatest Grand Prix drivers since the beginning of the world championship in 1950:
1. Clark
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3. Surtees
4. Brooks
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6. Hawthorn
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Old 28 Dec 2017, 15:03 (Ref:3789464)   #313
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I posted this on Facebook just now.

Right, the UK's greatest Grand Prix drivers since the beginning of the world championship in 1950:
1. Clark
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2. Moss
3. Surtees
4. Brooks
5. Stewart
6. Hawthorn
7. Hamilton
8. Collins
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10. Mansell
What is that based on?
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Old 28 Dec 2017, 15:22 (Ref:3789467)   #314
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Seriously Hawthorn above Hamilton? That’s just wrong. Hamilton gives it his all, whereas Hawthorn, for all his talent, wasn’t on it every weekend, with all due respect
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Old 28 Dec 2017, 16:40 (Ref:3789473)   #315
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I posted this on Facebook just now.

Right, the UK's greatest Grand Prix drivers since the beginning of the world championship in 1950:
1. Clark
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2. Moss
3. Surtees
4. Brooks
5. Stewart
6. Hawthorn
7. Hamilton
8. Collins
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10. Mansell
Why?
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Old 28 Dec 2017, 18:00 (Ref:3789481)   #316
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My own perception, which is all I can base it on. I think Hamilton has had his off days, and Hawthorn was racing with a serious medical complaint.
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Old 28 Dec 2017, 18:49 (Ref:3789489)   #317
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My own perception, which is all I can base it on. I think Hamilton has had his off days, and Hawthorn was racing with a serious medical complaint.
What's your perception based on?
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Like all 'here is my list of the greatest ever drivers' lists, it will always be flawed because everyone else will think differently. These things can only be personal....
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The thing with Hawthorn and Hamilton is that Hamilton's talent is never tested in a way that Hawthorn's was. Hawthorn drove difficult death traps on death trap tracks that would be totally unimaginable to anyone today.

If courage is included as a metric for the "Greatest" then you gotta give it to the top guns who preceded the Jackie Stewart revolution. Or the Ayrton Senna revolution.
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Though Mansell drove through several very serious back injuries, which is why I gave him the nod.
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The thing with Hawthorn and Hamilton is that Hamilton's talent is never tested in a way that Hawthorn's was. Hawthorn drove difficult death traps on death trap tracks that would be totally unimaginable to anyone today.

If courage is included as a metric for the "Greatest" then you gotta give it to the top guns who preceded the Jackie Stewart revolution. Or the Ayrton Senna revolution.
Hamilton was seriously tested by Alonso, Button and Rosberg?
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Hamilton was seriously tested by Alonso, Button and Rosberg?
Fine drivers. Jousting with them though on circuits packed with run-offs ain't dicing with the Grim Reaper with only some bales of hay to separate you from the trees. If courage is the necessary ingredient for "The Greatest", it's the unfit, play hard types of yesteryear that are the top dogs.
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Fine drivers. Jousting with them though on circuits packed with run-offs ain't dicing with the Grim Reaper with only some bales of hay to separate you from the trees. If courage is the necessary ingredient for "The Greatest", it's the unfit, play hard types of yesteryear that are the top dogs.
This is an excellent example of how difficult it is to compare drivers because of the different eras. If courage is the necessary ingredient for "The Greatest", then they all have it, which makes it nigh on impossible to say who is.
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I'd say that mistakes are still punished, just ask Vettel this season. It's the fact it's no longer lethal to make mistakes, but it doesn't make drivers any less greater than those in the 50s and 60s
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Fine drivers. Jousting with them though on circuits packed with run-offs ain't dicing with the Grim Reaper with only some bales of hay to separate you from the trees. If courage is the necessary ingredient for "The Greatest", it's the unfit, play hard types of yesteryear that are the top dogs.
This argument has an inherent problem as it means nobody can ever be as good as someone from a few years before them. The further back you go, the more credit drivers get. It's deliberately weighed to give much more credit to older drivers. Lewis could win 15 titles, but never be any good using this sort of system.

Safety and eras don't tend to have huge jumps - they are long slow developments over time. We didn't go from hay bales to tarmac run off in one go. So using the idea that older is always better due to challenge, Damon Hill is miles better than Lewis because he had no tarmac run off.

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